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Quote: SmokeyTA "You are demonstrably wrong'"


Given that what I said happened, actually happened, I am, without a shadow of a doubt, demonstrably correct!

It was a bid process with a clearly stated "bid by" date, not an auction, where defeated bidders could "up" their offers.

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Quote: Magic Superbeetle "There hasn't been much (or any) back channel info coming out (look at the bullmania thread) - so anyone telling koukash he was unsuccessful would of been involved in the bid - whether rfl side or administrator side. The only other option was he decided to rule himself out based on hearsay ... So I will add a third option of him being a sucker for rumours if that's any better? Personally in that situation, I wouldn't post anything as definitive as what he did without it coming from somewhere I trust to be the correct information - and now he's gone back on that, so either he shouldn't of posted it because he hadn't been told, he posted it for his own gain, or he's a sucker for listening to rumours.

He's more than fine to canvas support for his bid (look at the resulting Mandy for bulls petition after all) but one and the other don't add up ... Unless he trusted someone telling him he was out of it when he shouldn't of listened

If he hasn't been told by anyone his bid was unsuccessful (other than hearsay, because there wasn't anything in the papers until they tweeted it) then that's poor form by the administrator ... But it's not anything to do with the rfl, they didn't even make it to rfl preferred bidder stage...'"

It sounds that, broadly speaking, we agree. Someone involved in dealing with the bids has told Marwan - [iunofficially[/i - that the bid wasn't successful, but he's not heard anything officially. If this is true - and we only have Marwan's word for it, but I note that, thus far, neither of the other parties has denied it - then that is massively unprofessional. I've been involved - albeit at a fairly peripheral level - with bid processes in the past, and you [iexpect[/i to be kept informed of the progress of your bid: whether you're long-listed, short-listed, top two, failure, success, whatever. If this hasn't happened in this case, then he's right to draw attention to it. These are multi-million pound deals. It's not like you bidding for a Jedward CD on EBay.

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I'm amazed that people are surprised that it was just a PR stunt.

The Koukash name has been linked to almost every weekly RL story since the end of the season, and some before that.

He's doing his job to keep Salford up in the public eye. I'm sure when the next big thing crops up in SL, the Good Dr will have his name attached to it. It's free press for little to no cost.

Twitter is an excellent way of chirping in on any point. He has now created such a head of steam that if he tweeted on the Leeds Saints game tonight, which he has no actual connection to, the tweet will probably get more publicity than the result of the game.

It's something that happens in football and we should welcome it. It generates headlines and I'm fine with that. Call it mad, call it PR. It's all coverage. The bid alone generated further theories, could he drop Salford, could he loan players across, could he buy another club after Bradford to get more votes. But the one constant is his name and consequently Salfords are linked to pretty much all RL stories, regardless of their teams actual performance.

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www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... s-flanagan

the good dr never gives up reminds me of des ex barrow chief that ended well I think wonder how many coaches he will end up with maybe one for each player all good fun
www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... s-flanagan

the good dr never gives up reminds me of des ex barrow chief that ended well I think wonder how many coaches he will end up with maybe one for each player all good fun


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Quote: year of the viking "www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/news/article/480/9242727/salford-target-harris-flanagan

the good dr never gives up reminds me of des ex barrow chief that ended well I think wonder how many coaches he will end up with maybe one for each player all good fun'"


Pee jars at the ready if Flanaghan gets involved! If you can't buy them, inject them?

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: dboy "Given that what I said happened, actually happened, I am, without a shadow of a doubt, demonstrably correct!

It was a bid process with a clearly stated "bid by" date, not an auction, where defeated bidders could "up" their offers.'"

Except it isn’t, because one ‘bid by’ date passed, and then another was chosen and new bids were made there were even brand new bidders. Its almost like the administrator themselves was in complete control of that process, and if they wanted to accept new bids they could, and if they didn’t they didn’t have to. Its like this arbitrary rule you have invented in your tiny little head never existed and that rules made in the tiny little heads of bitter and angry RL fans don’t bind independent administrators and they are free to negotiate the best settlement as they see fit. icon_eek.gif

You are demonstrably wrong, what you said couldn’t happen, did happen! The administrator could accept new bids, he did accept new bids.

HTH

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Except THE RFL vetoed two of them. Which two I wonder.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Except it isn’t, because one ‘bid by’ date passed, and then another was chosen and new bids were made there were even brand new bidders. Its almost like the administrator themselves was in complete control of that process, and if they wanted to accept new bids they could, and if they didn’t they didn’t have to. Its like this arbitrary rule you have invented in your tiny little head never existed and that rules made in the tiny little heads of bitter and angry RL fans don’t bind independent administrators and they are free to negotiate the best settlement as they see fit.
There was never an invitation to amend or up bids.

There was a bid process, where a bid was accepted and where the successful bidders subsequently withdrew their bid.

The administrator could have dropped to the next best bid, but didn't. Instead, and quite rightly, he announced a second, totally new bid process.

At no point in that bid process was the opportunity to amend or up bids.

Koukash bid low, thinking he would get them cheap - he gambled and failed and squealed about it in the press afterwards.

He should have bid what he was prepared to pay in the first place.

It was not an auction, where he could gazump another legitimate bidder.

HTH.

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: dboy "There was never an invitation to amend or up bids.

There was a bid process, where a bid was accepted and where the successful bidders subsequently withdrew their bid.

The administrator could have dropped to the next best bid, but didn't. Instead, and quite rightly, he announced a second, totally new bid process.

At no point in that bid process was the opportunity to amend or up bids.

Koukash bid low, thinking he would get them cheap - he gambled and failed and squealed about it in the press afterwards.

He should have bid what he was prepared to pay in the first place.

It was not an auction, where he could gazump another legitimate bidder.

HTH.'"

Bids were amended. That fact renders the rest of your bitter nonsense irrelevant (as factually incorrect as it is)

It was BTW, Richard Lamb's second bid which was accepted before he failed to complete.

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Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Pee jars at the ready if Flanaghan gets involved! If you can't buy them, inject them?'"


Pee Jars for the players or his horses? icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Pee jars at the ready if Flanaghan gets involved! If you can't buy them, inject them?'"


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Quote: TheButcher "

What? Are you suggesting the NRL was wrong to ban him for his involvement in the sharks drugs case? (In which case he would never be coming to the uk) Should a man who now has a record on such a matter not be subject to regular check ups to ensure no repeat matter?

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Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Pee jars at the ready if Flanaghan gets involved! If you can't buy them, inject them?'"


icon_smile.gif As a sports scientist, well his job is to maximise what you've got, as we know, he couldn't buy the players he wanted, well what do you do? And they were lacking in facilities compared with other teams, S Flanagan and some of his staff/contacts were just trying to level the playing field. I assume that not many of the best players wanted to join Essendon either, well it is a bit far from the Victorian coast up there.

BUT, let me add, no player from either club has failed a drugs test.

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Quote: Magic Superbeetle "
Quote: Magic Superbeetle "

What? Are you suggesting the NRL was wrong to ban him for his involvement in the sharks drugs case? (In which case he would never be coming to the uk) Should a man who now has a record on such a matter not be subject to regular check ups to ensure no repeat matter?'"


I'd suggest you should get your facts right before casting aspersions - Flanagan has been banned for not having the correct governance procedures in place - the NRL have been quite clear that they do not believe Flanagan had any knowledge of illegal substances being given to players, and as of yet, surprise surprise, ASADA have yet to prove any illegal substances were ever even administered at Cronulla.

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Quote: Magic Superbeetle "What? Are you suggesting the NRL was wrong to ban him for his involvement in the sharks drugs case? (In which case he would never be coming to the uk) Should a man who now has a record on such a matter not be subject to regular check ups to ensure no repeat matter?'"


Just rolling the eyes at a pointless post.

I'm sure he's got his six cases loaded with performance enhancing drugs to dispense to the Salford players. Koukash will even gather a press conference to witness Adrian Morley receiving his first injection of the day...

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