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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
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| Quote: Mr Dog " No matter how much money was thrown at them you cannot escape the fact that there aren't enough punters interested to go and watch them and they would continue to be a huge drain on the limited RFL resources forever and a day.'"
Point of order.......in the 13 years I have followed the team, the owners......regardless of who they were never marketed the team. We are told that 50% of theq sky audience are in London. ....before we say theres no interest, maybe we should market the games. Hughes has , spent less than 1 million of the 15 hes wasted on marketing.......and hes surprised nobody came to games |
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| Quote: gutterfax "Point of order.......in the 13 years I have followed the team, the owners......regardless of who they were never marketed the team. We are told that 50% of theq sky audience are in London. ....before we say theres no interest, maybe we should market the games. Hughes has , spent less than 1 million of the 15 hes wasted on marketing.......and hes surprised nobody came to games'"
I agree with this and it was actually a point I made to some London fans a couple of years back. Me and some friends went down to see the Leeds game at the Stoop, and over the course of the weekend didn't see a single poster, advert or anything for the game. At the time, we held the World Club Challenge. Even with my limited marketing knowledge (nil), it didn't seem like it would be too difficult to harness some extra interest from a "Broncos vs the World champs blockbuster" type campaign. But, no, there was nothing. On game day we even chatted to some Twickenham locals in one of the pubs, and they had no idea there was even a game on |
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| Quote: gutterfax "They were...and tenner tickets for double header semi-finals too......check out the profit made from the comp for further proof. '"
Yep, keep stamping your feet. The only person you're convincing is yourself and i'm not even sure that you actually believe it.
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Dublin isn't Limerick.........you said Dublin. Buy an Atlas. '"
Oh. So if tickets had been £15 in Limerick would the crowd have been higher? You forgot to answer...
Quote: gutterfax "No....I said 24 teams a few pages back..... '"
Oh. So it's a few pages back and not since the new system was announced? Took you a while to come up with that one.
You'll still be wrong.
Quote: gutterfax "....nope, I'm saying they might be up, but I believe they wont be up. I do believe that average attendances will be up in SL next year........and that was the conversation I was involved in before you started your waffle.'"
Make your mind up then.
Quote: gutterfax "If it's always been an Northern sport, how come RL fans in general demand national press coverage like other codes? Why the moaning about the BBC's lack of coverage? '"
A few people on a forum doesn't equate to most RL fans. The BBC do OK.
Quote: gutterfax " Because we were told that getting rid of the reliance on these imports was VITAL to the game by Nigel and the lads......a few years licencing and we've started to export players in significant numbers, so what do they do? Drag us back to the boom or bust mentality..... '"
See, now you're just making stuff up. Players being deemed good enough for the NRL is a good thing and proof we're doing the right things but it's hardly significant numbers going over.
There's more youth coming through than we've ever seen and that's due to many reasons including the salary cap.
Has the salary cap been scrapped or something? If it hasn't then with the TV sponsorship money in place then no one is going bust.
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You imagined it. What happened was Sky painted Nigel into a corner and he bit their hand off........they have secured their summer filler sport for 2/10th of SFA and have managed to get a Thursday night game into the mix too.....check out the attendances for those games.....attendances BTW are one of the gripes that chairmen have we are often told.
TV isn't sponsorship by the way.........have you switched energy suppliers yet? If not, better get a move on because it's the only way the "sponsor" has to pay any money for the naming rights. '"
Keep grasping at those straws but please stop making stuff up.
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Maybe.....but I am more often than not right......a point proven by the number of times my error regarding the RLWC attendances is raised on here. ![]()
Thread bookmarked then.
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| Quote: gutterfax "When I said about 350,000 about 12 months out, nobody disagreed...their silence was only broken after it became obvious that I was wrong in my prediction......which was based on previous efforts to promote the game here. The only thing I didn't "understand" was how good Sally Bolton was. '"
Stop making stuff up. |
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The RFL can't magic up a viable London club without about 20 million quid to throw at it. Why have them in SL just because they're in London? The club doesn't have it's own stadium, and still doesn't even have a long term stadium deal.
What can the RFL do about that?
If anyone's serious about RL succeeding at the top level in London then we need to buy into the New River Stadium and turn it into a top class facility for Skolars and Broncos to play at LONG TERM.
Until then there's no value in having a London presence in SL as it will continue to be a financial disaster.
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Tbh SL does not need London, can't afford the massive marketing and stadium hire a team in London needs and would be much better off investing that money in clubs in nth and sth Wales were the game has far more potential at grass roots and a professional level. Amateur, schools and semi pro local clubs around the London boroughs are the best that part of England can hope for.
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If you keep responding to Gutters then he will respond right back. If you don't want to give him air time, stop addressing him directly or simply put him on ignore.
As for the averages we'll when it was a 12 team comp previously, their averages where higher. But those who run an agenda at the time would not have pointed this out when the competition expanded to 14 teams.
I've no problem with Williams figures. It's a shame the numbers are down. But that's the way it is. Hopefully clubs are taking notice as this mantra of it does not matter until the playoffs will hurt them more in the long run. It does matter and it needs to matter to get people to turn up and pay for these players.
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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UPDATE: Warrington have completed all their regular round home fixtures in 2014 for a total aggregate attendance of 128,313 and an average of 9,870. This is the first time since 2009 that Warrington's home attendances have dipped below 10,000. Their home attendances have fallen by just over 7% in successive seasons.
2009: 119,873/13 2014: 128,313/13
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SL Round 25 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year
Warrington V Huddersfield in 2014 Total Attendance in SL Round 25
3 out of 7 fixtures in Round 25 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year. 4 out of 7 fixtures in Round 25 have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year.
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SL Round 24 attendances (V corresponding 7 fixtures 2009-2013)
SL 2014.. Round 24 total
SL 2013... same fixtures **
SL 2010... same fixtures **
SL 2009... same fixtures **
NOTE...** except replace Widnes with Crusaders
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Regular Season SL Attendances by Round in 2014 V Corresponding Fixtures in 2013
Round 1 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 2 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 3 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 4 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 5 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 6 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 7 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 8 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 9 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 10 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 11 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 12 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 13 (MOONIE TRAGIC WEEKEND) Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 14 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 15 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 16 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 17 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 18 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 19 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 20 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 21 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 22 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 23 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 24 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Round 25 Fixtures (7 in total)
Total attendance in 2014 Rounds 1 to 25 Fixtures (175 in total)
Total attendance for 168 fixtures + 7 Tragic fixtures in 2014
Out of 168 fixtures played throughout the regular season in 2014, 64 out of 168 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year. 104 out of 168 fixtures have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year.
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4 SL clubs attendances are currently up on last season.
10 SL clubs attendances are currently down on last season.
Club... Games... 2014... 2013... %gain/loss
Salford... 11... 52155... 34514... +51.11%
Castleford... 12... 82703... 74274... +11.35%
St Helens... 12... 143810... 132768... +8.32%
Hull KR... 12... 95610... 89566... +6.75%
Leeds... 13... 195880... 197556... -0.85%
Wigan... 11... 147400... 154052... -4.32%
Huddersfield... 11... 68747... 72051... -4.59%
Hull... 12... 131877... 139942... -5.76%
Widnes... 13... 73258... 78191... -6.31%
Warrington... 13... 128313... 138232... -7.18%
Catalans... 12... 93475... 101636... -8.08%
Bradford... 12... 79049... 103196... -23.40%
London... 12... 15426... 27334... -43.56%
Wakefield... 12... 52078... 94398... -44.83%
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Subtotal... 168... 1359781... 1437710... -5.42%
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Moonie/Tragic... 7... 64552... 62042... +4.04%
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TOTAL... 175... 1424333... 1499752... -5.03%
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Current Average Attendances V Same Fixtures Last Year
Club... SL
Leeds... 15068... (15197)
Wigan... 13400... (14005)
St Helens... 11984... (11064)
Hull... 10989... (11662)
Warrington... 9870... (10633)
Hull KR... 7968... (7464)
Catalans... 7789... (8470)
Castleford... 6892... (6189)
Bradford... 6587... (8600)
Huddersfield... 6250... (6550)
Widnes... 5635... (6015)
Salford... 4741... (313icon_cool.gif
Wakefield... 4340... (7866)
London... 1286... (227icon_cool.gif
Average... 8094... (855icon_cool.gif
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SL Rounds 1 to 25 total attendances comparison (2009 to 2014)
SL 2014 - 1,424,333 from 168 fixtures + 7 Tragic fixtures
SL 2013 - 1,499,752 from same 168 fixtures + 7 Tragic fixtures
SL 2012 - 1,670,614 from same 168 fixtures + 7 Tragic fixtures
SL 2011 - 1,555,988 from same 168 fixtures + 7 Tragic fixtures**
SL 2010 - 1,507,017 from same 168 fixtures + 7 Tragic fixtures**
SL 2009 - 1,535,120 from same 168 fixtures + 7 Tragic fixtures**
SL 2014 % decrease in attendances (V corresponding 168 fixtures + 7 Tragic fixtures)
V SL 2013 **
V SL 2010 **
V SL 2009 **
SL 2014 attendance losses (V corresponding 168 fixtures + 7 Tragic fixtures)
V SL 2013 **
V SL 2010 **
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SL regular season average attendances (V corresponding 168 fixtures + 7 Tragic fixtures)
SL 2014 **
SL 2010 **
SL 2009 **
NOTE...** except replace Widnes with Crusaders
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Sky TV viewing figures haven't been mentioned for quite some time by the RFL, nor have they been reported by obedient RL media outlets so I've checked the viewing figures on the BARB website for clues.
Looking at the week-by-week viewing figures via BARB's Top 10 listings by channel, the current comparable viewing figures are as follows...
2014 - from w/e 9 Feb to w/e 17 Aug
47 games made the Top 10 lists on the Sky Sports channels.
The total viewing figures were 6,356,000.
Average viewing figure per game televised 135K
2013 - from w/e 3 Feb to w/e 18 Aug
52 games made the Top 10 lists on the Sky Sports channels.
Total viewing figures were 7,914,000.
Average viewing figure per game televised 152K
Average viewing figures on Sky in 2014 are therefore down by 11.2% compared to last season based upon the viewing figures available on the BARB website.
This may explain the current silence on viewing figures in more recent times in contrast to the large outbursts of positive RFL media spin regarding alleged record Sky viewing figures during the first few weeks of the season.
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after all that effort i think it has been conclusively proven that PR teams will accentuate the good and minimise the bad news coming out.
Great Work on getting to the bottom of this mystery everyone!
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Out of interest is there any information looking at the impact of Thursday night and Monday night games on attendances.
Anecdotally fans dont like these games.
If there is a drop how much is due to SKY interference around monday and thursday games.
In William i trust
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "after all that effort i think it has been conclusively proven that PR teams will accentuate the good and minimise the bad news coming out.
Great Work on getting to the bottom of this mystery everyone!'"
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UPDATE on comparative Sky viewing figures
2014 - from w/e 9 Feb to w/e 17 Aug
47 games made the Top 10 lists on the Sky Sports channels.
The total viewing figures were 6,356,000.
Average viewing figure per game televised 135K
DOWN 11.2% ON 2013
2013 - from w/e 3 Feb to w/e 18 Aug
52 games made the Top 10 lists on the Sky Sports channels.
Total viewing figures were 7,914,000.
Average viewing figure per game televised 152K
DOWN 11.1% on 2012
2012 - from w/e 5 Feb to w/e 19 Aug
52 games made the Top 10 lists on the Sky Sports channels.
Total viewing figures were 8,871,000.
Average viewing figure per game televised 171K
* Source - barb.co.uk
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