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[quote="JEAN CAPDOUZE":162hm7sy]He is not telling the truth. He is talking paranoid rubbish.[/quote:162hm7sy]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_59837.jpg |
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Im surprised he put it so mildly.
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| Quote: SaleSlim "To be fair to London, if they're averaging say 1000 home fans per match then taking 10% of their fans to Salford last week was a pretty decent effort. I'm a season ticket holder at Salford City FC (yes, the plastic club before anyone points it out... ![]()
1500 to Huddersfield ha ha ha.
Keep off those dodgy tablets sunshine.
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| Quote: snowie "so do I but you seem to gloat on situations like this ![]()
I am not gloating. I am just stating a fact.
It is very sad. The club has a relatively new stadium. It is near a major city. If it was in healthy condition it should be drawing at least 7-8,000 per game and thereby at least breaking even.
Catalans Dragon by contrast, in a much smaller urban environment, regularly draws 8-9,000 fans to home games. Catalans in its pre-professional existence, before Super League, drew 1,000-1,500 per game. Toulouse now draws 1,500 French fans, plus visiting fans, and could be expected to emulate Catalans Super League attendances if it was promoted to Super League. Salford is also dwarfed in its fan base by the highly successful nearby clubs at Wigan, St. Helens and Warrington.
What this suggests is that Salford, despite over a century in existence, has lost its loyal fan base of years gone by and is destined to collapse for lack of financial viability.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I am not gloating. I am just stating a fact.
It is very sad. The club has a relatively new stadium. It is near a major city. If it was in healthy condition it should be drawing at least 7-8,000 per game and thereby at least breaking even.
Catalans Dragon by contrast, in a much smaller urban environment, regularly draws 8-9,000 fans to home games. Catalans in its pre-professional existence, before Super League, drew 1,000-1,500 per game. Toulouse now draws 1,500 French fans, plus visiting fans, and could be expected to emulate Catalans Super League attendances if it was promoted to Super League. Salford is also dwarfed in its fan base by the highly successful nearby clubs at Wigan, St. Helens and Warrington.
What this suggests is that Salford, despite over a century in existence, has lost its loyal fan base of years gone by and is destined to collapse for lack of financial viability.'"
You assume a lot here Bazza.
Firstly, Catalans draw their home fans from an extensive region and a certain number would follow toulouse if they were in SL, thus diluting the catalan crowds.
Secondly, Catalans are the only game in town, given the crapness of the local union side of late.......a resurgence of the union lot would again impact on Catalans crowd.
Then there is the impact of the Challenge cup victory........pretty much SFA in terms of a long term boost, the same as London and Sheffield getting to the CC Final......
Then in terms of Salford. Arguably 2 of the top 10 soccer sides in the country play on their manor.....they do struggle and you trolling does have a valid point, but given the region of France where your 2 darlings play is full of in-bred french farmers who acceded to the nazis in return for a free ride in 1940, I'd steer clear of slagging off english sides whilst alluding to them being replaced by either a french side who have been beaten twice already this year, or another side from Manchester who ply some of their home games in Canada.....  |
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quote="Ruune Rebellion"]No. That’s what you said you idiot which is why you are sexiest lol. Give up you sexiest Imbecile[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54309.jpg |
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| Quote: JonnoTheGreat "1500 to Huddersfield ha ha ha.
Keep off those dodgy tablets sunshine.'"
Pretty sure that was what the Huddersfield tannoy guy announced at the game but struggling to find any clarification online. Maybe a Hudds fan reading this can confirm how many there were?
Thanks for your input tho "sunshine"  |
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quote="Ruune Rebellion"]No. That’s what you said you idiot which is why you are sexiest lol. Give up you sexiest Imbecile[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54309.jpg |
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I am not gloating. I am just stating a fact.
It is very sad. The club has a relatively new stadium. It is near a major city. If it was in healthy condition it should be drawing at least 7-8,000 per game and thereby at least breaking even.
Catalans Dragon by contrast, in a much smaller urban environment, regularly draws 8-9,000 fans to home games. Catalans in its pre-professional existence, before Super League, drew 1,000-1,500 per game. Toulouse now draws 1,500 French fans, plus visiting fans, and could be expected to emulate Catalans Super League attendances if it was promoted to Super League. Salford is also dwarfed in its fan base by the highly successful nearby clubs at Wigan, St. Helens and Warrington.
What this suggests is that Salford, despite over a century in existence, has lost its loyal fan base of years gone by and is destined to collapse for lack of financial viability.'"
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quote="Ruune Rebellion"]No. That’s what you said you idiot which is why you are sexiest lol. Give up you sexiest Imbecile[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54309.jpg |
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Quote: SaleSlim "Pretty sure that was what the Huddersfield tannoy guy announced at the game but struggling to find any clarification online. Maybe a Hudds fan reading this can confirm how many there were?
Thanks for your input tho "sunshine" ![]()
https://www.salfordreddevils.net/ian-bl ... s-support/
My bad. Thought I heard them announce 1500 but was just over 1200 apparently. |
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Quote: SaleSlim "Pretty sure that was what the Huddersfield tannoy guy announced at the game but struggling to find any clarification online. Maybe a Hudds fan reading this can confirm how many there were?
Thanks for your input tho "sunshine" ![]()
https://www.salfordreddevils.net/ian-bl ... s-support/
My bad. Thought I heard them announce 1500 but was just over 1200 apparently. | |
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| Quote: ThePrinter "5% sounds fine when you put it like that. But look closer and last years game was on a Thursday night mid season compared to a Friday home season opener. 500-600 more people therefore isn’t really impressive and taking in the above factors I would say in reality it’s not an improvement on last year'"
Probably true but if the Leeds following had been even remotely close to the one Wigan will take to Headingly in the return fixture it would have been the 2nd highest attendance so far. The first being Saints when they played..... Wigan.
It's all a matter of perspective really. Ateotd it was an increase on the corresponding fixture last season. With a 20,000+ crowd due this weekend I think Wigan are the least of Superleague's problems. |
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| Quote: SaleSlim "sleepy.gif ![]()
You are sleepy because you are depressed.
Sorry that I cannot help you on this. The situation will not get any better in the foreseeable future.
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Well the situation would get better very quickly if the long-promised Metrolink line ever gets built...
Then Salford need to market it more - starting with the crowds that Sale Sharks get.
Having said all of which Salford have taken a prudent financial approach (IIRC they don't spend anywhere near the salary cap) and have done OK over the last 12 months.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I still think that Salford is in a very difficult situation.'"
Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I am not gloating. I am just stating a fact.
Catalans Dragon by contrast, in a much smaller urban environment, regularly draws 8-9,000 fans to home games. Catalans in its pre-professional existence, before Super League, drew 1,000-1,500 per game. Toulouse now draws 1,500 French fans, plus visiting fans, and could be expected to emulate Catalans Super League attendances if it was promoted to Super League.'"
Just a couple of points here jeannie, first of all your not stating a fact, just an opinion.
Secondly I see what you've done here, this thread is about your opinion of Salford and it's alleged financial difficulties and has nothing to do with catalans and Toulouse, but once again you have managed to turn this into another opportunity to spout your rhetoric about 2 ordinary mid table teams in their respective leagues. |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Probably true but if the Leeds following had been even remotely close to the one Wigan will take to Headingly in the return fixture it would have been the 2nd highest attendance so far. The first being Saints when they played..... Wigan.
It's all a matter of perspective really. Ateotd it was an increase on the corresponding fixture last season. With a 20,000+ crowd due this weekend I think Wigan are the least of Superleague's problems.'"
This weekend’s game is irrelevant to SL and it’s problems as it’s just a one off fixture that doesn’t hold any baring on the 29 Rounds of regular season action. Wigan were averaging 15/16k 7/8 years ago and getting 17/18k for the Leeds home fixture.
No club has seen worst drops in attendance than Wigan over their last few years so actually yes Wigan are indicative of SL’s problems. |
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| Quote: SaleSlim "https
They don't announce away fans numbers but think it was around 1,000 give or take a few, good turnout.
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I AM A London fan who attended last Sundays game at the AJ Bell. We drove up leaving at 7.30 am. We got home at midnight. Okay, we stopped to eat both on the way up and on the way back, but it was over 500 miles for us and I would say it cost us over there hundred pounds for the day for the four of us.
Next weekend we are off to Hull, same again, but then it is what we do on a Sunday.
I might also add, I drive 140 mile round trip to a home game.
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| Quote: Bostwick "I AM A London fan who attended last Sundays game at the AJ Bell. We drove up leaving at 7.30 am. We got home at midnight. Okay, we stopped to eat both on the way up and on the way back, but it was over 500 miles for us and I would say it cost us over there hundred pounds for the day for the four of us.
Next weekend we are off to Hull, same again, but then it is what we do on a Sunday.
I might also add, I drive 140 mile round trip to a home game.'"  |
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HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.
There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. 
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