Because it seemed bizarre that even despite (if your stats are correct) Tuson playing more than all but one of the players you listed here, you still manage to climb on your high horse and preach about a young English Wigan player that is getting more games than 8 out of 9 young English players at Leeds.

you really are getting desperate arent you Bill

No, you're making it easier and easier

Nah, I thought it was just that the top 25 earners count under the salary cap, the rest aren't included in it (which means that any youngsters promoted on a small salary aren't on the cap, which is a good thing imo).
That's my understanding of it, I may be wrong though, can anyone confirm?

You're right.

I'm pretty sure most clubs could say that more than 20 of their 'top' 32 players are English. We also hear every year about how clubs have 'players coming through' who 'aren't quite ready'. Odd then how foten that an overseas player is signed for two or three years to enable a 20-year old (who to be frank if a back should be either in the first team or elesewhere) to somehow develop.

Using Wigan (or Leeds) as an example, how many overseas players are in the strongest 17? I suspect all Wigan's overseas players are in the 17. So the real proportion is 7 (or however many overseas players you have) out of 17. With Leeds its currently 6 (or however many we have) out of 17. That's over a third of both sides ineligible to play for England.

The quality issue is real as well. Quite seriously, trying to defend half the KR group named on the basis of quality is ridiculous. At Leeds I'd say we shouldn't have Cross or Delaney. From all accounts we're going to sign one more. How anyone can defend these sorts of numbers and quality of players is quite beyond me.

so why reply to a post that says



by ignoring it and saying

Exactly right

I see wakey posters have a thread naming a starting 17 for 2011. They have 9 or 10 non fed trained players. 12 years in SL and still over half the team comes from overseas and many of the players would not get in NRL squads never mind win Oz / Kiwi / SOO caps. How long do the board and j Kear need to put this right?

After 5 pages we finally get to the reason why the thread was started.

Wrong!

I am proud that the Giants have a low number of overseas players and that they are quality players not journeymen on 'exemptions'.

I think the number at HKR is poor and if they have 10 or so overseas players when they have been in SL 12 years I think it will be appalling.

For a club that has been in SL 12 years and in a RL heartland it is very disappointing that much of your starting line up will include the likes of Obst / Henderson / Leanno and a broken Motu Tony. How long do JK and Ted need to put it right?

For whats its worth, Leaeno won't be here next season, but you'll find my thoughts on the number of overseas players at Trinity on that forum. I even put a comparison team which had just 4 overseas players in the 17 against one that included all of them, and IMO the team compromising of mostly Brits wouldn't have done much worse than the one filled up on imports (see Ben Jeffries thread).