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| Quote: Dico "Peacock couldn't go to RU.
Completely the wrong build for any position, the Farrell issue if you will'"
No, Peacock is the right build for blindside flanker, number 6. Farrell also played that position for Saracens, and did so reasonably well. The reason he didn't stay in the position is that England had significant depth in the backrow, but not at inside centre. Farrell wanted to break into the test team, but also fancied himself to be a playmaker.
My point is that while Peacock may not go (he's near the end of his career), younger international players might e.g. Eastmond. |
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|  Top flight Union Players play more games if you count the Hienekan Cup, thier playing schedule includes a similar number of league games, "challenge cup" and Hienekan Cup it's about 5 games more and that's before any international call ups. |
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| Quote: The Observer "A successful national team would generate more money for the clubs than the clubs themselves could do. The clubs would need to take a chance to allow this to happen. Individual WC matches or Ashes tests have attracted matchday crowds of 80K, far in excess of any total club round, and attracted TV audiences that would not watch SL or the Cup.
The problem is that they aren't his two choices. Players like Jamie could go to Rugby Union, play fewer games, earn more money, play in more countries, and play for the England RU team at Twickenham, just like Jason Robinson, Andy Farrell, his son Owen, Vainikolo, Henry Paul, and now Chris Ashton and Shontayne Hape.'"
I agree with what you say , but stating what is without suggesting an alternative is pointless
So what is the answer ? |
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| Quote: Starbug "I agree with what you say , but stating what is without suggesting an alternative is pointless
So what is the answer ?'"
Have a look at my earlier posts on this thread, I've given my suggestion there:
* post 42 (4th last post on page 3), and then
* posts 46 and 49 (1st and 4th posts on page 4) |
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In a Galaxy far far away.....
Eastern SL conference
Hull FC
Hull KR
Toulouse
Les Cats+Barcelona
Cas
Leeds
Bradford
Hudds
Wakefield
(one day Gateshead and York)
Western SL Conference
London (Quins)
Sth Wales Scorpions
Wrexham Crusaders
Wigan
St's
Warrington
Manchester (Salford)
Widnes
Cumbria
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| Quote: spooneryork "
Top flight players in England, Australia, NZ, and those based the Celtic nations all play fewer games than English RL players. In 2001, the RFU and Premier Rugby struck a rlLong Form Agreementrl that stipulates the workload of test playersAn elite squad of 50 to 60 England players will be restricted to 32 matches a season, including a maximum of 10 internationals in a calendar year and eight in one season.'"
The LFA was further explained on BBC Sport Online in the article rlBlueprint for England rugby successrl.
In 2008, rlthe RFU and PR extended the agreementrl, and the rlgame limit was keptrl
Some players may play more if they:
a) were not initially in the EPS at the beginning of a season
b) play less than 40 minutes of a match (under Premier Rugby's definition, apparently playing <40 does not count as playing a game)
Even so, English RU and French RU test players played fewer games on average for their season 2007-2008 then English RL or Super League based French RL test players in seasons 2007 or 2008. 2 rounds of the GP are held during the Autumn Internationals, and 2 hed during the 6N. |
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| Quote: JB Down Under "I'd have a 16 team two conference league
The ESL and the WSL (East and West). 8 teams in each. Play each team in your conference home and away and the other conference teams once, either home or away on a rotating annual basis. Playoffs feature 5 teams in each conference playing each other with the 4 semi finalists going through to an inter conference semi final and then GF.
Advantages
Not sure about your play-off format. I'd stick to a format similar to the current top 8 (just without the club call as it wouldn't be possible in two conferences, there isn't a highest ranked team)...
Week 1:
1) 1st East vs 2nd West
2) 1st West vs 2nd East
3) 3rd East vs 4th West
4) 3rd West vs 4th East
Week 2:
5) Loser of 1 vs Winner of 3
6) Loser of 2 vs Winner of 4
Week 3:
7) Winner of 1 vs Winner of 6
 Winner of 2 vs Winner of 5
Week 4:
9) Winner of 7 vs Winner of 8
A fair, uncontroversial play-off system where the two best ranked teams should meet in the final if they win all their games, and the only possible chance of a repeat game would happen in the final itself (unlike currently where both semis could be repeat games).
My two conferences would be:
Eastern - Bradford, Castleford, Harlequins, Huddersfield, Hull FC, Hull KR, Leeds, Wakefield
Western - Catalans, Crusaders, Salford, St Helens, Toulouse, Warrington, Widnes, Wigan
Home & away against your conference (14 games) and alternate home and away against other conference (8 games) leaves you with 22 games.
Try and get three TV games a week and sell them in these packages: 1 Eastern Conference game, 1 Western Conference game, 1 Cross-Conference game.
Move the Magic Weekend to the Challenge Cup.
Now, just need to find a way to make up revenue for 5 lost games (which we're looking at 60-70,000 people across each round)...
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Not sure about your play-off format. I'd stick to a format similar to the current top 8 (just without the club call as it wouldn't be possible in two conferences, there isn't a highest ranked team)...
Week 1 My two conferences would be
Unfortunately this split is slightly unfair, as the Western league would be at a massive disadvantage here in strength, as as well as including two new additions to the current 14 in Toulouse and Widnes, you also have the two most recent additions, meaning overall this side is nowhere near as established. Also it may be unfair to have the furthest distances to travel on this side. Also how would the promotion/relegation/franchise system work with these in the future?
Quote: Wellsy13 "Home & away against your conference (14 games) and alternate home and away against other conference (8 games) leaves you with 22 games.
Try and get three TV games a week and sell them in these packages
A similar set of games to state of origin perhaps? East vs West? Although that is not likely to be anywhere near as good for club revenues, which indeed makes it a dilema.
Tbh overall I would not really support this idea.
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All these new league formats are fine , except they all need more money to fund them , money we dont have , money we are unlikely to have in the near future 10/15 years
Some are suggesting this money would become available if we started beating the Aussies , we wont it wont , having clubs in Wales and France wont produce it either
The only thing that will produce it is a doubling of the current level of attendances at all levels which will finally produce a competition that nobody knows who is going to win season from season
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I believe something like this would come in about 2020 with a bigger European influence.
If not a stronger second division would be nice
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| Quote: Dico "I believe something like this would come in about 2020 with a bigger European influence.
If not a stronger second division would be nice'"
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| Quote: Dico "I believe something like this would come in about 2020 with a bigger European influence.
If not a stronger second division would be nice'"
How will you achieve this ? |
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Ive said enough today.
Consolidation with the next tv deal, more money to filter through to the Chp clubs, possibly profits from 4N comps providing the Chp can prove a youth development plan.
Id also offer incentives for youth development at that level.
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| Quote: Dico "I believe something like this would come in about 2020 with a bigger European influence.
If not a stronger second division would be nice'" there needs to be more money entering the championship so it can go pro.its the only way we can produce the depth in quality to challenge the aussies long term.having read alot of posts on the subject of expansion i've come to the conclusion that you've all brainwashed each other into believeing 1 or 2 decent french or welsh teams is going to help england beat the aussies on a regular basis what a load of if your not going to invest heavily in a french and welsh league its never ever going to work |
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| Quote: Dico "Ive said enough today.
Consolidation with the next tv deal, more money to filter through to the Chp clubs, possibly profits from 4N comps providing the Chp can prove a youth development plan.
Id also offer incentives for youth development at that level.[/quote]
Why ? producing SL quality players at NL level is virtually impossible , the RFL have made it even more difficult by setting very costly criteria to run teams at junior level , At the moment there is a ' pecking order ' in lancashire
Wigan/Saints , then Warrington [ will improve now you have the Ex England coach ] and the Salford
Once these clubs have taken the elite juniors , there is not much real quality left , a silk purse from a sows ear comes to mind
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