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Quote: Grimmy "1. Hardaker
2. Charnley
3. Shenton
4. Watkins
5. Hall
6. S.Tomkins
7. Widdop
8. Graham (c)
9. Roby
10. Hill
11. Ferres
12. Westwood
13. O'Loughlin

14. G.Burgess
15. Clarke
16. Taylor
17. J.Tomkins/Farrell (see how quickly he gets back up to speed)

18. Sinfield
19. Makinson/Briscoe (see how they go in the play offs)
20. Reed
21. Cooper
22. Huby
23. Burrow
24. Farrell/Bateman (depending on whether J.Tomkins looks good enough)

Hardaker is too good to leave out IMO especially as S.Tomkins defence at FB can be a bit suspect and we struggle for good half backs. As someone who watches Smith every week I'm not yet convinced of his ability to turn up in big games, particularly when things aren't going our way. I know it's tough to play behind a beaten pack but I still think Widdop or Tomkins would have thrown more at the opposition v Leeds (A) and Cas (H, cup) this year than Smith did.'"


I'd go along with this team but you'd have to ask what Charnley has done this season to get in?

Everything else I agree with as I don't think anyone is going to get the bench right as it depends largely on how we want to play. Although I'd definitely have both Roby and Clarke in the 17. The Aussies must be jealous of that!

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Don't see how anyone can pick Bateman or Kirmond, and to a less extent Ferres over Ablett, Ablett has been one of the best 2nd rowers in SL this season.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "Don't see how anyone can pick Bateman or Kirmond, and to a less extent Ferres over Ablett, Ablett has been one of the best 2nd rowers in SL this season.'"


Agreed, Ablett has been very good. But I would put Bateman in as well, although Mcnamara will keep one as a sub, not use them then wonder why a half back had stepped passed a knackard prop in 79th minute.

1. Hardaker
2, Briscoe (just a head of Makinson)
3. Watkins
4. Shenton
5. Hall
6. Tomkins
7. Widdop
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Hill
11. Ferres
12. Whitehead
13. O'loughlin

14. Clark
15. Huby
16. G Burgess
17. Ablett/Bateman

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Quote: The Avenger "OPTIONS
In order of preference

Full Back
Tomkins
Hardaker
Lomax

Wings
Hall
Makinson
Burgess
Charnley
Briscoe
McGilveray

Centres
Watkins
Shenton
Reed
Atkins
Cudjoe
Caton-Brown

Stand Off
Widdop
Ratchford
Brown
McGuire

Scrum Half
Brough
Sneyd
Sinfield
Smith

Props
Graham
Hill
G Burgess
Taylor
Amor
Walmsley
Huby
T Burgess
Crabtree

Hooker
Roby
Clarke
Lunt
Mcllorum
Houghton

Second Rowers
Ferres
Whitehead
Westwood
Farrell
Bateman
Kirmond


Loose Forward
O'Loughlin
Westerman'"


Shows how much depth we have

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "Don't see how anyone can pick Bateman or Kirmond, and to a less extent Ferres over Ablett, Ablett has been one of the best 2nd rowers in SL this season.'"


Bateman has probably been Wigans player of the season (he's certainly many Wigan fans choice in a thread on our board) and whilst very young is looking a very good player already.

Better then Ablett? Not sure, I don't see enough of him but Bateman is pushing up in to international contention you'd have to think.

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Quote: NickyKiss "...Bateman is pushing up in to international contention you'd have to think.'"


Is he big enough?

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Quote: Mr Churchill "Is he big enough?'"


Not yet.

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Quote: Albion "I'd go along with this team but you'd have to ask what Charnley has done this season to get in?

Everything else I agree with as I don't think anyone is going to get the bench right as it depends largely on how we want to play. Although I'd definitely have both Roby and Clarke in the 17. The Aussies must be jealous of that!'"

Charnley has scored 13 tries in his last 8 games; he looks like he's over his injury and back to last season's form to me. He also tends to stand up at important times in big games IMO, scoring in our '11 cup final v Leeds, '13 grand final v Warrington (in the second half to put us level before the conversion) and for England v Australia with 4mins to go which would have put us within a score of a draw, had it been converted.

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Quote: Mr Churchill "Is he big enough?'"


He his incredibly strong. Both defensively and in attack. So height is not an issue when he is so strong. Seen him shrug off 3 or 4 defenders at a time.

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Quote: Bull Mania "He his incredibly strong. Both defensively and in attack. So height is not an issue when he is so strong. Seen him shrug off 3 or 4 defenders at a time.'"


Exactly. He's not going to get much bigger then he is really. He might fill out a bit but he'll always be on the small side for a forward but that lack of size has litter ally no impact on his game. He is as strong as an ox and hits hard in defence and it probably helps him fitness wise because he's got a great engine.

One other major plus point for me is his attitude. I know he gets under people's skins but he never takes a backwards step and anybody of that age willing to go head to head with the likes of Bailey and especially Peacock has a great deal about them.

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Quote: tigertot "Not yet.'"


Well that's a surprise.

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Quote: Bull Mania "Shows how much depth we have'"


Start picking championship players. At the rate they are going, England will start to struggle against France.

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I wouldn't want to make too many changes to the World Cup team as I'm not sure many if a lot of the 'new' players mentioned here could come in and improve the team. The only change I would make that wouldn't be enforced would be Shenton over Cudjoe.

Clark will probably get a run from the bench and you can't argue against that on form, his stats are quite amazing in terms of tackle busts and average gain considering he plays through the middle. From what I've seen of him he thrives on a quick ruck which he won't get as often in internationals so it will be interesting to see how he goes.

Replacing Sam Burgess is the impossible task.

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Id have Charnley in over Hall on current form. Hall's at the top of the SL error count and is well off his best.

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I'm definitely in the Mcllorum corner, he'd be my starting hooker against the Aussies, Roby and Clark would battle it out for a bench spot.

Roby and Clark may dominate Mcllorum in the stats chart, but super league stats count for nothing in a one off test match, and Mcllorums toughness would be much more of an asset to us IMO.

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