True, but we still have players like Sinfield, JP, Buderus, Webb, McGuire, Burrow etc...you cannot write those players off.
Personally I'm going to this final a bit more laid back and will enjoy the occasion more this time around. There is no pressure on Leeds. We'll just get down there and enjoy our day out, if we win its a huge bonus.

supreme arrogance from Wigan fans? Never! icon_smile.gif

Peacock had a few wobbly performances following his return from injury but has since improved and has played much better in the last half a dozen or so games.

Tomkins and Charnley are definitely a major threat, but we're hardly lacking pace in Watkins and Ben Jones-Bishop (who easily beat Pat Richards on the outside in our last meeting at the DW). As a Leeds fan, I'm more concerned about Carmont and Leuleui. These two probably don't get the praise they deserve and they always seem to go really well against us.

I've predicted a Wigan win but I don't think it will be anything like last year's trouncing. If Leeds want to win the cup they will need keep the penalty count down, target the Tomkins/Charnley flank and have an excellent short kicking game. Saints managed to do this in the semi but could not score off the back of it.

This being the same Josh Charnley who along with his centre let Meli and Foster run havoc in last quarter and nearly cost Wigan the semi?

Joel Tomkins and Charnley have the potential form a very good centre/wing partnership as both are very talented players but their defence needs to seriously improve. If Watkins and Jones-Bishop were attacking their side I would expect a few scores – it is fortunate for Wigan that the left centre/wing partnership is much more experienced and defensively sound

Leeds have some world class players in their team and it only takes them to click on the day and it is anybody’s game

I do expect Wigan to win (not least because Michael Maguire has a Super League winners ring and he will want a Challenge Cup winners medal to go with that as he heads back down under) but it will be no walk over

I thought Charnley's effort wasn't due to how poor he was but to how well Wellens had positioned himself, see the next time Wellens had positioned himself poorly for when Charnley did turn him in and out for his actual try.

1. Wembley Stadium has the exact same pitch dimensions as the DW and the Galpharm.

2. Jones-Bishop and Watkins are faster than Charnley.

3. Peacock, coming back to fitness, has been very good in the last month.

4. You're probably right about the coach.

Most sensible Wigan fans will be confident, but very wary of Leeds. Every Wigan-Leeds game this year has been tight as hell - Leeds should probably have won at Headingley and while I thought Wigan were the better side at the DW, it was a close affair.

Leeds have thrown everything at Wigan in this year's matches. They go for an aggresively physical approach (as Hull do against us) and try to out-muscle or bully us. They do everything they can to break up Wigan's game plan and momentum, and they look to off-load at every opportunity to test our normally disciplined defence (which for me, has been weaker this year than last). To be fair, that has (almost) worked.

I believe Wigan will be the stronger side, but it'll be close. If Wigan can play their game they'll take a early lead, but most likely will spend the remainder of the game defending that lead as Leeds fight back.

I support Saints and we've lost three finals against Leeds, but they are not what they once were.

I'm not suggesting leeds will win but alot of wigan fans seem to have the opinion '''it's leeds so our players will take it seriously, which means we'll probably win''.

Sport just doesn't roll as smoothly as this.

Sure wigan are favourites and have been on top form this year, but leeds still have alot of class dangerous players who have winning big finals in their memory bank.

Form, pressure and confidence are funny things. If leeds get off to a good start and grow in confidence, with heir key playuers coming out of their shells, we could be in for a fantastic close spectacle. Quite the contrast to all these ''wigan will win easily'' predictions.

Leeds can not afford to go behind early. The big battle of the game could well be the first 20 minutes and not the last 20. If leeds weather the early start and go in at halftime level or in front they have a decent chance of an upset.

Is that your way of saying "Beat them for us!" or your way of saying "Even if you beat them it's not like we couldn't now!"

No, it's my way of saying I expect Wigan to beat them because Leeds aren't up to the standard they were at when they were winning Grand Finals. There are no conspiracies here .

Conspiracies?

Wouldn't like to predict a winner but won't be surprised if Leeds are ahead at half time.

Yep, in the missed-tackle or penalty count.