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| Quote: Gotcha "I'm not convinced it was a knock on.
They both battled for the ball. Carvell had it, Roby reefs it back it hits his head, Carvell regains it, and runs on.
Good battle for a ball, that had a winner and a loser. Christ if that video ref had have had any doubt he certainly wouldn't have gone against Saints of all teams.'"
Give over. It's like taking a crisp digital image and brushing over it with watercolours to blur the lines of truth in order to produce a more romantic image. He knocked on at least twice and didn't have control over it until he'd left Roby behind.
I've slowed it down and there are two very clear knocks on by both players plus the one from Roby which lead to it. I'm all for benefit of the doubt, but when it's as clear cut as that it gets ridiculous. The acid test for me was the dejected reaction of the Wire fans in the room watching it with me. When they saw the replay they were convinced it was NO-TRY.
No one but you has actually suggested it wasn't a knock on. The Sky team and everyone on here in support of the try has used the 'moral outcome ruling', which I reckon could take hold like the famed momentum rule.
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| Quote: Gotcha "I'm not convinced it was a knock on.
They both battled for the ball. Carvell had it, Roby reefs it back it hits his head, Carvell regains it, and runs on.
Good battle for a ball, that had a winner and a loser. Christ if that video ref had have had any doubt he certainly wouldn't have gone against Saints of all teams.'"
I'm sorry but your use of the word "reef" in that context automatically voids your opinion.
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| Too right they gave it a try! Some of the technicalities these days are ridiculous, it didn't hit the floor, so it should be play on anyway! he's probably never scored a try over 10 metres anyway give him a break. You probably won't see a prop score like that all year you miserable sods.
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| Quote: greg th wire "Too right they gave it a try! Some of the technicalities these days are ridiculous, it didn't hit the floor, so it should be play on anyway! '"
You've no idea what constitutes a knock-on have you?
I can only assume that Ganson rules either a) Carvell regathered the ball before it touched Roby (which would require some 'interesting' eyesight) or that Roby knocked on first and advantage was played.
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| Quote: tb "You've no idea what constitutes a knock-on have you?
Don't think you can play on after 2 knock ons, can you?
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| Quote: greg th wire "Too right they gave it a try! Some of the technicalities these days are ridiculous, it didn't hit the floor, so it should be play on anyway! he's probably never scored a try over 10 metres anyway give him a break. You probably won't see a prop score like that all year you miserable sods.'"
He scored a 60 metre try for Hull against Catalans a couple of years back from first reciever at a scrum.
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| if the video ref wasnt there, it still would have been given.
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| but the video ref was there,so it should be used.it clearly showed a knock on,so the try should have been ruled out.simple logic.
if leeds' try at bradford on good friday was ruled out for a knock on,so should carvells.the trouble is the lack of consistency.
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| Quote: Haywire "Don't think you can play on after 2 knock ons, can you?'"
Two wrongs make a right
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| Quote: Sadfish "if the video ref wasnt there, it still would have been given.'"
No it wouldn't. Silverwood saw it clearly because he asked them to check it. Given the obvious level of doubt there is no way he would have given that back in the day before technology came along.
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| Quote: Saddened! "No it wouldn't. Silverwood saw it clearly because he asked them to check it. Given the obvious level of doubt there is no way he would have given that back in the day before technology came along.'"
If there is any doubt (which there must have been given that he went to the video ref) a try should be given.
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| It was clearly a try.
I know this because three letters - T R Y - flashed up on the big screen and Warrington's score increased by four points.
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| Quote: tb "You've no idea what constitutes a knock-on have you?
Stop being so pedantic and reward something a bit different. We should bin the video refs, what happens happens it kills any gamesmanship and luck. Those things should be part of the game, they are what create talking points, heroes and villians. Bloody video refs kill them!
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