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I'm sure this thread was nothing to do with cheating the salary cap, when I last posted.

Me thinks it has become derailed slightly????

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: Fordy "Or to put it another way, blatant cheating of the salary cap.

As I said before anyone that believes that any players actually received less money as opposed to having less money reported on the books is extremely naive.'"

Well not really, because if it was blatantly cheating the cap there would have been a specific rule against it rather than the 'catch-all' rule the RFL needed to use.

Wigan did nothing lots of clubs didnt do, how and why and when they did it was.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "This is my worry as well.

For a club like Leeds or Wigan, this system works. For anyone else, it doesn't, no matter how much it appears to.

If you are relatively confident that you'll always be in the top eight, fantastic. The gap between you and the lower portion of the league increases every season. Whilst the top clubs have the intensity of playing each other, whilst they cream the chunk of the prize money, the commercial revenue and whilst they can retain and recruit the best players, the rest will get dragged further and further to the bottom by playing the lowest common denominator.

The Championship clubs wanted this because they want an opportunity at Super League. In five years time, we'll see the same clubs arguing that they can't break into the top eight because the likes of Wigan, Leeds, Warrington, St Helens, Huddersfield, Hull, Catalans and Salford are too far away from them and that "SL1" is effectively a closed shop.'"


Yet the majority of the top clubs voted against it, go figure.

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Wire Yed "Yet the majority of the top clubs voted against it, go figure.'"


I suspect that is because it doesn't address the core issue within the game - a cronic lack of revenue.

I'm not a fan of this system by any means, but I think it does tip the scales even further towards the elite clubs.

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: Wire Yed "Yet the majority of the top clubs voted against it, go figure.'"

Maybe they wanted that split.

You are running a lesser SL club, you have very little money to play with, you can’t make that jump to challenging at the top, you consistently spend £3-400k less than the big boys. You don’t have money to invest in your infrastructure, you are getting a little left behind. Look at the alternatives, franchising means huge demands are made for you to improve and some ambitious clubs knocking on the door and a possible cut in league size means you could very soon be in the lower leagues with no real plan for getting back in. A return to P+R would mean you started every season at risk of relegation and the hugely damaging drop in revenue and visibility that causes. You don’t have a safety net and there is a good chance that should the bounce of the ball go the wrong way all your plans will be torn up you will probably struggle to get back up, and possibly go bust.

For those clubs this structure gives them a softer landing if they do get relegated and makes no demands of them ala franchising. It means lower SL club A can cut the amount it spends on players by a couple of hundred thousand and all you have to do is beat 4 lower league sides a year and you are golden. Eventually when the gap between you and the top SL clubs becomes so big you get hammered every time you play them you can blame the big bad boys and when the inevitable ring-fenced 10-12 club SL comes in you can blame the RFL.

In other words, its creating SL1.5 so that teams who need to step down from SL don’t have to admit to their fans they aren’t big enough for SL.

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Quote: Wire Yed "Yet the majority of the top clubs voted against it, go figure.'"


Most of the big clubs, who aren't distracted with survival, are reaching the pinnacle of what is achievable as a club, and recognise it takes things outside of their control (ie other clubs) for them to grow further. If no club was guaranteed a playoff place year on year, the regular season would mean a lot more, people would be more excited and therefore more likely to go - result higher crowds (so long as the quality remained/ better)

As has been said, this system will just lead to the super 8 and some also rans meaning eventually the 23 games will become the season now, aka a preseason = lower crowds.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



All speculation, nobody knows

Just like we all guessed that licencing would breed boredom , and that clubs would still overspend, maybe this time you'll be right

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Football has the Champions league with extra games against bigger clubs with bigger crowds. Yet it still is not a closed shop. There is always another team pressing on that door.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Starbug "And the tried and trusted method of getting them is?'"

If you want more customers then speak to more people........

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: gutterfax "If you want more customers then speak to more people........'"


Dont be stupid, its spend more money on players, everybody knows that, d040.gif


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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Starbug "Dont be stupid, its spend more money on players, everybody knows that, Ah....the "I've got more money than sense" method as established by David Hughes!

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: gutterfax "Ah....the "I've got more money than sense" method as established by David Hughes!'"


Established long before Mr Hughes started bankrolling the London Club, its been the primary ' business plan ' for a hundred years, you'd have thought by now somebody would have figured it doesnt work icon_biggrin.gif

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Starbug "Established long before Mr Hughes started bankrolling the London Club, its been the primary ' business plan ' for a hundred years, you'd have thought by now somebody would have figured it doesnt work Maybe when we have 4 leagues of 10 splitting into 5 eights then eight fives with a play offs of the top 13

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Quote: Worzel "Sounds like a Socialist Super League IMHO. Little clubs getting the benefit from those who have been doing all the hard work....'"


That sounds f**k all like socialism to me, but you carry on.

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Quote: GT "That sounds f**k all like socialism to me, but you carry on.'"

I thought that, it's hardly we're all the same system is it?

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