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Quote: Wigg'n "So you want to effectively relegate them and ruin the livelihoods of a bunch of players who had nothing to do with it.'"


If you want that argument to stand up, you would have to scrap relegation altogether.

A points deduction with the current system, just means they are more likely to finish in the middle 8's, at which point they will start on level points with clubs who haven't tried to cheat the system, which is unfair on them.

The current squad may not have benefited from any "extra" payments but, some of those involved previously would be well aware that they were not being paid in a "proper" manner.

Clearly, anyone who thinks they are suffering as a result of this should take out their anger with the club owner and any other parties that were involved in the mele.

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Quote: whitters "As a Salford fan I'm happy to take the punishment now we've been found guilty but I've got to agree we need more detail into the reason why. If other clubs in the future break the rules how can you judge as to whether they're then treated fairly.

From my understanding no media or public (though I agree witht that) were allowed into hearing, why?

Also I thought the Salary Cap was LIVE and the RFL monitored it constantly, so how come this goes back to 2014 season?'"


The salary cap is LIVE and the RFL do monitor it closely. But Salford hid payments and didn't declare them on the cap. Breaking the cap was a deliberate act by Salford, and there was a deliberate attempt to cover them up. The worrying thing is if puletua hadn't come clean due to his dispute over payments none of this would have been found out. It's tough on the current Salford players- some of whom were complicit but not all. But he person to blame is Koukash.

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It's a live cap, but when the owner buys his players 100k cars at Christmas, there has to be repercussions.

Good for us anyway, so thanks.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Then increase the fine? £250k fine with £100k suspended. If it happens again then the £100k suspended will be added on to the next one. He doesn't have money to burn like he thinks he does, and rich people hate throwing away that amount of money.'"


Cheating the cap gives unfair competitive advantage - so competition points are deemed to be an appropriate penalty; it's very clear in the rules and every club owner will be aware of it.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Then increase the fine? £250k fine with £100k suspended. If it happens again then the £100k suspended will be added on to the next one. He doesn't have money to burn like he thinks he does, and rich people hate throwing away that amount of money.'"


But the difference in central funding between SL and the championship is more than £250k. So you're not punishing them as if they cheat and avoid relegation, they are financially in a much stronger position than if they played by the rules and got relegated.

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Quote: LeedsDave "It's a live cap, but when the owner buys his players 100k cars at Christmas, there has to be repercussions.'"


That's nothing to do with this. If it was one of the charges then I suspect it was one of the not guilty judgements. You can pay out as much as you want in man off the match and player of the season awards under the cap rules

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Salford Red Devils RLFC. [quote="Gotcha":y7izhg01]Salford won't win Super League in my lifetime. Even saying in jest they would sounds stupid.[/quote:y7izhg01]:



Correct, it relates to contracts of Tony Puletua and Theo Fages. Nothing to do with Koukash loaning Evalds the use of his Maserati for 12 months.

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Quote: RedUnderTheBed "That's nothing to do with this. If it was one of the charges then I suspect it was one of the not guilty judgements. You can pay out as much as you want in man off the match and player of the season awards under the cap rules'"


Well that's just ridiculous then. No excuse to get caught breaking the cap if you can just do this.

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Will Bradford or London now persue their own court proceedings against Salford for compensation? ,in a similar way to Sheffield united did against West Ham.

Not sure the Bulls have the cash to do so, and possibly London not the inclination.

Were Bradford not pushing the issue earlier on, maybe they have a plan.

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Salford Red Devils RLFC. [quote="Gotcha":y7izhg01]Salford won't win Super League in my lifetime. Even saying in jest they would sounds stupid.[/quote:y7izhg01]:



Even if Salford had the 6 points deducted from the end of the 2014 season, Bradford and London would have still been relegated.

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Quote: John Gilbert Reds "Even if Salford had the 6 points deducted from the end of the 2014 season, Bradford and London would have still been relegated.'"


That's assuming that Salford only gained a 6 point advantage by having players in their team who - if they had stuck to the cap- may not have been there.

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Quote: jools "That's assuming that Salford only gained a 6 point advantage by having players in their team who - if they had stuck to the cap- may not have been there.'"


I'm dealing with facts, you're talking hypothetically. But I can tell you now a 56 year old Tony Puletua didn't gain us an advantage of more than 6 points.

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I wonder if all those fans moaning that the points deduction is unfairly high were moaning that the deductions handed out to Bradford and Wigan weren't high enough.

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Quote: John Gilbert Reds "I'm dealing with facts, you're talking hypothetically. But I can tell you now a 56 year old Tony Puletua didn't gain us an advantage of more than 6 points.'"


Maybe if you had paid Puletua properly and through the correct channels, you may have had to do without one of your other "stars" so, the real answer is that NOBODY knows how Salford would have faired if they had stuck to the rules.

You even played a game against Cas with an extra man on the field, it was anarchy of the highest order #whogivesadamn

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Quote: John Gilbert Reds "Even if Salford had the 6 points deducted from the end of the 2014 season, Bradford and London would have still been relegated.'"


Very probably.

At least your club got to spend the Sky money taken away from Bradford and distributed amongst other clubs as punishment for having no money on cheating the system and making sure though.

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