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| Quote: pyeman "Will never happen smokey, like sayin the two hulls or, leeds and bradford could unite under one banner. cas fans and fev fans will never ever support a team called wakefield, and since castleford and featherstone combinedhave about 2/3 of the districts rl support the district will never unite under one banner. no one from castlford, featherstone, pontefract or knottingley considers themselves as being in anyway part of wakefield, even parts of normington are of the same opinion. The council reorganisation was a beurocratic change not one in the identity of the areas. If leeds was for some reason swallowed up into the area of bradford council would you coinsider yourself from bradford? would you suddenly want to become a bulls supporter?
there is actually a wakefield fan on the cas board asking if the district should be split up into castleford and wakefield just to give you an idea of how much we are united in this district.
However i do agree with you that both wakefield and castlford are at a crossroads and the next few years will be the differance between success and many more years in sl and being dropped down to the championship.'"
Leeds and Bradford dont have a banner to unite under, but if they did, and it was needed, then i would support that a club under that banner, yes, i have consistantly said the game means more to me than my club,
and i dont doubt some Cas and Fev fans would never support a team with Wakefield in the name, i think the number is much lower than you imagine, when Cas and Wakefield are at a similar level, it is easy to say you will never support a 'Wakefield' side, when Cas are removed and the choice is a 'Wakefield' team or nothing its a much more difficult decision
If in the next few years one club doesnt move forward it will be swallowed by the other, If neither move forward then a merger is really the only option,
and your point re: the district etc. You have to remember, Kids dont care what happend 15 years before they were born. The only identity Cas has is the RL side, outside of that its no different to the numerous areas of Wakefield district, and you remove that, Kids arent going to ignore the game because they are angry at a decision regarding a Cas club they barely knew.
Besides, there are 35k people in Cas, in a district ten times that size, if the district is that parochial, there is only a small amount of people in Cas that a 'wakefield' club couldnt tap in to |
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| Quote: Adeybull "Sorry but could not disagree more.
If you take £1.2m (minimum) out of every club's income, with little warning, many will go straight to the wall. Their financial situation is so tenuous. They simply cannot replace that revenue overnight, if at all. Leeds could probably stand the initial shock - you can doi that when you are owned by a plc and you made a mint from selling a cricket ground - and a club with a rich owner prepared to stump up that much cash on TOP of what he already does could ride the initial storm until or unless he said "stakes too high - I fold", but it would immediately kill any other clubs. And £1.2m is a hell of a lot of revenue to make up - for example, you would need around 12.5k more on the gate EACH GAME to achieve that. From day 1. If indeed you could fit them in.
And you are IMO extremely extremely näive if you think crowds will rise substantially. Why should they? Especially since half the competition will have been blown into oblivion before the season even starts, and which non-SL clubs could immediately step up to SL level - and SL costs? Widnes, if O'Connor put his hand much much further in his pocket, and who else? You would start the first season with a handful of clubs. At best.
And as for sponsorship...the big deals come from the brands being seen on TV anyway. So why on EARTH would sponsorship rise substantially? If you think viewing figures would rocket through a seriously weakened competition being shown on a FTA I fear you are way too optimistic.'"
Viewing figures would shoot up, whatever the level the game is played on, if you put a 2 hour video of Dally Messenger looking in the mirror talking to his 'friend' for two hours at 8pm on a friday night on ITV or the BBC at least 3m people would watch, likely much more for a saturday.
as such sponsorship would shoot up massively, as would crowds
Clubs would make up a fair amount of the money they lose in TV rights very quickly though not all of it,
BUT: The TV rights we get take this into account, Sky pay extra because we are missing out on these things, they have to, if ITV offered three quarters of what Sky do, the RFL would say bye-bye to Rupert very quickly |
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| While you're on
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Quote: "Just out of interest , will the total rebuilding of the South stand bring in any more revenue than at present , it is a large terrace , are the plans to build a newer large terrace , or are they to make it a seating stand ?
Not having a pop , just interested how they are going to do it '"
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| Quote: Starbug "While you're on'" i would think so,
There are apparently plans to put more corporate opportunities in the southstand without lowering the capacity,
though i dont think the design has been set in stone yet |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Viewing figures would shoot up, whatever the level the game is played on, if you put a 2 hour video of Dally Messenger looking in the mirror talking to his 'friend' for two hours at 8pm on a friday night on ITV or the BBC at least 3m people would watch, likely much more for a saturday.
as such sponsorship would shoot up massively, as would crowds
Clubs would make up a fair amount of the money they lose in TV rights very quickly though not all of it,
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The thing is, I don't buy the sponsorship rise argument. After all, the CC has been a guaranteed fixture on BBC for years, and despite audiences in the millions, we've really struggled to find a decent sponsor for it. I don't see why that would change. We also have an image problem - sponsors don't just hand over cash for exposure - they want to associate their brand with something they feel is appropriate to it. Big international companies sponsor RU because they see it - rightly - as a wealthy sport played and watched on the whole by above-average wealthy people. RL, like it or not, has a very different public image, and the sort of companies who want to market to that demographic don't have large sponsorship accounts.
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| Quote: Roy Haggerty "RL, like it or not, has a very different public image, and the sort of companies who want to market to that demographic don't have large sponsorship accounts.'"
Premier Foods must have a sizeable chunk in their Bisto advertising budget. |
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| Quote: littlerich "Premier Foods must have a sizeable chunk in their Bisto advertising budget.'"
If we campaigned to bring back beer and fags sponsorship, we'd be rolling in it. |
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| Quote: Roy Haggerty "If we campaigned to bring back beer and fags sponsorship, we'd be rolling in it.'"
But that is the politically world we live in Roy 
You cant even kill yourself these days without some ' do gooder ' whingeing at you  |
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| Quote: Sadfish "You seem to forget that not so long ago the RFL had debts of millions of £s.
Clubs aren't in Rugby League to make a profit, they are in it to win trophies, clubs have come and gone, owners have come and gone, money has come and gone, but the rugby clubs will remain, they just play rugby when all said and done.'"
Well said. |
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| Quote: Durham Giant "A bit simplistic and stereotypical'"
Really?
I would never have guessed... |
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| Quote: bowes "As it is the game won't get that low'"
Unless you get a job promoting it... |
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| Quote: Gijou "Unless you get a job promoting it...'"
hes an expansionist apparently.
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Maybe the RFL and SL should become realists instead of dreamers. Having said that what is there to dream about, especially as the expansionist dream has turned into a very nasty nightmare (again), and it will continue to be so until they all wake up.
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| Quote: dally messenger "hes an expansionist apparently.
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Yes I am, just I have sense with it. Unlike you who supported Crusaders and look how that worked out, it was pure stupidity to put them in SL and it was so obvious what would happen.
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| Quote: Gijou "Unless you get a job promoting it...'"
Well I don't have any CEO experience so maybe wouldn't be the best person, but I'm sure I'd do better than you. Still I wouldn't have done serious harm by letting the Crusaders in |
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