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Quote: Starbug "So if we somehow find our relatively new RL club regularily filling its say 6,000 capacity stadium, they arent allowed to move to a bigger one, or make plans to get their existing one enlarged?'"

Who is paying for this? Considering there is now no guarantee whatsoever that they could stay in SL or grow to SL, who is investing the tens of millions needed to expand a stadium or build a new one?

You are now suggesting that an brand new RL Club moves in with a non-league football side and builds them a new stadium. Why dont you just admit you dont want new RL clubs to be a success because if they are, Your club has less of a chance to be so. You want to be a medium sized fish in a small pond because you dont have the ambition or even belief you could swim with big fishes.

Quote: Starbug "But we arent talking about our best, we are discussing our newest, I doubt youll find many 3 year olds being funded by sport England'"
How we set up our amateur clubs where we play for fun, is entirely different to how we set up our pro clubs. Even a 3 year old would know that.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "Are you suggesting the ‘organic growth’ that hasn’t happened in over 100years of Rugby League? That a club will grow through the levels to the top, even though over a century of history tells us it doesn’t happen?
Not really the correct term here, I dont recall the sport directly openly sourcing, targeting, financing and initially managing a new club in the way I am suggesting

I notice once again you refer " to the top " , rather than just a successful club

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "Who is paying for this? Considering there is now no guarantee whatsoever that they could stay in SL or grow to SL, who is investing the tens of millions needed to expand a stadium or build a new one?

You are now suggesting that an brand new RL Club moves in with a non-league football side and builds them a new stadium.

Paying for what? Is it impossible for you to discus anything without focussing on SL , once again it is a RL Club we are looking to create, plant a seed, water it, feed it, then once established let somebody else look to take it onwards and upwards at their pace to whatever level they want to

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "Why dont you just admit you dont want new RL clubs to be a success because if they are, Your club has less of a chance to be so. You want to be a medium sized fish in a small pond because you dont have the ambition or even belief you could swim with big fishes.

How we set up our amateur clubs where we play for fun, is entirely different to how we set up our pro clubs. Even a 3 year old would know that.'"


You do talk some complete garbage at times , you contradict youself so many times its ridiculous, I am suggesting a way to get new clubs up and running, you construe that as me wanting them to fail d040.gif

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The discussion of stadium capacities and new clubs is honestly beside the point. You cannot simply 'drop in' a new club to an area with no RL pedigree and expect to see it work. There needs to be 5-10 years of hard work in building an amateur base, knowledge of the sport and a public willing to support a team as more than just a fad.

First of all, the RFL needs to engage with rugby clubs across the country. Many Union clubs sit doing nothing for the summer - a short, summer, amateur season could well appeal to them as a way to keep kids & players turning up and the bar money ticking over. The RFL should be offering coaching & reffing courses, as well as large regional end-of-season tournaments for the kids. Get them playing RL, get them over the idea that 'it's not proper rugby', and open up a significantly larger playing pool to RL.

Second, identify areas with the greatest potential for success in terms of amateur scene development & largest catchment, for trial games to whet the public's appetite for RL.

Ideally this would take the form of an England international as part of a home-nations series similar to the 6N. Given the crowd in Bristol for the Cookies game at the WC, England v Wales in Bristol could sell out Ashton Gate easily.

This to be followed up by the designation of the venue city as an 'on the road' venue. Preferably given an exciting title. One extra round of fixtures to be played in the venue, local derbies preferably, so the city has a 'home' game every week. Season tickets available cheaply, with money raised going to fund local RL. Constant marketing support for local amateur sides, and a 'Rugby League Shop' in the town centre selling SL club & England merchandise.

This to be followed up with the entry of a franchise into the Championship, and then (if things work out) SL.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Worlds Apart "The discussion of stadium capacities and new clubs is honestly beside the point. You cannot simply 'drop in' a new club to an area with no RL pedigree and expect to see it work. There needs to be 5-10 years of hard work in building an amateur base, knowledge of the sport and a public willing to support a team as more than just a fad.'"


North Wales Crusaders?

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Quote: Worlds Apart "The discussion of stadium capacities and new clubs is honestly beside the point. You cannot simply 'drop in' a new club to an area with no RL pedigree and expect to see it work. There needs to be 5-10 years of hard work in building an amateur base, knowledge of the sport and a public willing to support a team as more than just a fad.

First of all, the RFL needs to engage with rugby clubs across the country. Many Union clubs sit doing nothing for the summer - a short, summer, amateur season could well appeal to them as a way to keep kids & players turning up and the bar money ticking over. The RFL should be offering coaching & reffing courses, as well as large regional end-of-season tournaments for the kids. Get them playing RL, get them over the idea that 'it's not proper rugby', and open up a significantly larger playing pool to RL.

Second, identify areas with the greatest potential for success in terms of amateur scene development & largest catchment, for trial games to whet the public's appetite for RL.

Ideally this would take the form of an England international as part of a home-nations series similar to the 6N. Given the crowd in Bristol for the Cookies game at the WC, England v Wales in Bristol could sell out Ashton Gate easily.

This to be followed up by the designation of the venue city as an 'on the road' venue. Preferably given an exciting title. One extra round of fixtures to be played in the venue, local derbies preferably, so the city has a 'home' game every week. Season tickets available cheaply, with money raised going to fund local RL. Constant marketing support for local amateur sides, and a 'Rugby League Shop' in the town centre selling SL club & England merchandise.

This to be followed up with the entry of a franchise into the Championship, and then (if things work out) SL.'"

The outside investment will only come for SL

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Quote: Starbug "
Paying for what? Is it impossible for you to discus anything without focussing on SL , once again it is a RL Club we are looking to create, plant a seed, water it, feed it, then once established let somebody else look to take it onwards and upwards at their pace to whatever level they want to


The new/expanded stadium you just suggested (not me, you)

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Quote: Starbug "You do talk some complete garbage at times , you contradict youself so many times its ridiculous, I am suggesting a way to get new clubs up and running, you construe that as me wanting them to fail No, you don't want them to fail. As long as they stay near the bottom of the game

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "

No, YOU suggested that it would be needed instantly, I suggested that if things went that well, that clubs could look for a different larger venue OR whoever their tenants were could consider expansion

Stop posting things that havent been stated its not big and not clever

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "No, you don't want them to fail. As long as they stay near the bottom of the game'"


So now you are a mind reader? , I want all clubs to prosper, and those that prosper most to get their rewards for that

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Quote: Starbug "So now you are a mind reader? , I want all clubs to prosper, and those that prosper most to get their rewards for that'"




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Quote: Starbug "
I suggested that if things went that well, that clubs could look for a different larger venue OR whoever their tenants were could consider expansion

Stop posting things that havent been stated its not big and not clever'"
So you suggest they could look to a larger venue or expansion but you arent suggesting they expand the stadium or move to a new one? icon_lol.gif

once again, who pays for this?

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Quote: Starbug "So now you are a mind reader? , I want all clubs to prosper, and those that prosper most to get their rewards for that'"

Im not a mind reader, its just obvious that that is your standpoint. You want clubs to prosper, so long as they prosper in a in a system and a set up which is heavily biased towards heartland clubs, so long as they jump through meaningless hoops which make it infinitely more difficult for them to prosper and so long as they do so in a destructive and unstable system.

When you want to make it so difficult, as nigh on impossible for a club to reach the top, you may as well simply admit that you dont want them to reach the top (and yes i know im talking only about SL, but that is the context in which we are speaking so stop trying to hide behind that. Its not as clever as you think and no-one is falling for it)

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