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| Quote: ThePrinter "Worked perfectly fine for Wigan in both competitions this year with what many would consider not 'exciting' halfbacks. And Sinfield was at 6 for the 2 previous GF's wins.
Chase did play more free when he first played for England in 2011, it wasn't good at all.
And sorry but regarding Widdop, if he can't come on with a game plan devised by a coach and make an impact, then yes he isn't worth his place.
It's quite clear yourself and others have made up your minds about Sinfield in the halves LONG ago, thinking that the difference today was the halves shows this. Pretty difficult for any halves to dictate play when you have Westwood and Tom Burgess knocking on at halfway just when you were on top, or Westwood and Sam Burgess giving away high shot penalties or Westwood not being able to play the ball correctly when under the Aussie posts or Charnley not chasing back hard enough.
No we'll just ignore stuff that actually happened in the game (like you did firstly by not noticing who was involved in the first two England tries because you don't like the player in question) and instead whine that Sinfield doesn't have any pace and bemoan that teams play to a plan. Do you not think Australia played to a plan? Did they (apart from the Inglis out jump) provide anything too exciting or off-the-cuff? Or were they effective, completing the basics better, better discipline and ball retention.'"
A sensible post. As I said way back it all went wrong when first Westwood and then Burgess dropped the ball after about 20 minutes and the forwards lost their control. Up to that point the halves were controlling the game. We lost it as we always do because the forwards cannot maintain domination and discipline. They always play all out and then tire. The Aussie pack often takes a battering against us early on but plugs away and comes out on top. That's where we lost it today. I would say despite Inglis' size that Tomkins did not, IMO, position himself nor compete hard enough for the highish kick. Could you imagine someone like Mick Burke having conceded that try? He may not have took the ball but Inglis would not have progressed! To me Tomkins always struggles to get his feet in place for the high ball and looks a bit windy.
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| Quote: Bartholemew Smythe "John Woods NOT a good stand off........ you're clueless or myopic,
or both.'"
I think the issue is that Woods was a part timer who if I remember even missed a down under tour because he couldn't get time off work.
He was certainly a quality player at club level.
But let's be under no illusions when Myler, Woods et al were playing GB got smashed in most games by the Aussies.
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| Quote: Dally "I don't think Gregory and Edwards ever played together as GB halves against Australia.
John Woods a points machine but not a great SO for me. Myler was utter class but suffered from injury and did not have quite enough pace. But his skill and strength made him one of the best players of his generation on his day. I remember when Widnes played Australia and Sironen was in his prime. Sironen charged up to make some hard yards away from his own line. He ran hard at Myler who just stopped him dead in a standing position, without taking a backward step. Extremely strong player.'"
The way I remember it, 1988 was the peak of Gregory's international career, after that he faded away very quickly due to injury etc. Edwards missed the 88 tour due to injury.
From then till about 1992 or perhaps a bit later, the half backs were two out of Edwards, David Hulme and Schofield, with the likes of Goulding, Fox and Paul Hulme covering for injuries or as midweek halfbacks on tour.
For the WC final in 1992, Fox was picked at scrum half as he was right on top of his game and I don't remember him doing much wrong.
Woods had the misfortune to be around in GB's worst international period, i.e. the early to mid 80's, same as Myler who suffered a lot from injuries later on.
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| I think Ferres did enough to maintain his place ahead of other perceived (by people on here) better players.
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| Quote: Dally "I think Ferres did enough to maintain his place ahead of other perceived (by people on here) better players.'"
absolutely
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| Quote: Keith "The way I remember it, 1988 was the peak of Gregory's international career, after that he faded away very quickly due to injury etc. Edwards missed the 88 tour due to injury.
From then till about 1992 or perhaps a bit later, the half backs were two out of Edwards, David Hulme and Schofield, with the likes of Goulding, Fox and Paul Hulme covering for injuries or as midweek halfbacks on tour.
For the WC final in 1992, Fox was picked at scrum half as he was right on top of his game and I don't remember him doing much wrong.
Woods had the misfortune to be around in GB's worst international period, i.e. the early to mid 80's, same as Myler who suffered a lot from injuries later on.'"
That's about right - plus Darryl Powell at SO. Yes, I agree Fox was a good choice for that match, he was the form player.
As to the Gregory / Edwards obsession - give me David Hulme anyday - better tackler, aggressive, could score 100 yard tries.
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "icon_lol.gif
Look at the 3 of them's trophy cabinets and you might see sense.
(By the way - Alex Murphy played at Leigh and they won things with him).
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| Quote: wigsey "I think the issue is that Woods was a part timer who if I remember even missed a down under tour because he couldn't get time off work.
He was certainly a quality player at club level.
But let's be under no illusions when Myler, Woods et al were playing GB got smashed in most games by the Aussies.'"
For a couple of years in the early 80 s, Woody was probably the best RL player on the planet, as for his and GB s succes at that time against the Aussies, well they were from a different planet
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| Quote: Starbug "For a couple of years in the early 80 s, Woody was probably the best RL player on the planet, as for his and GB s succes at that time against the Aussies, well they were from a different planet'"
Have some dignity! Look at the names in the Australian team of 1982 - Meninga, Miles, Groethe, Boustead, Anderson, Wally Lewis, Brett Keeny, etc, etc. Woods was better than the all was he. You are just deluded.
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| My team
Hardaker
Charnley (more urgency needed)
Cudjoe
Watkins
Hall
Tomkins
Chase
Graham
Roby
Hill
Westwood
Ferres
Sinfield
G burgess
SOL
Burrow
S burgess
There are no other props good enough so I would use Sam as a prop
Unless by some miracle j peacock or Crabtree was drafted in.
The only way McNamara will keep the job after this is to win the World Cup.
The obvious selection problems that everyone has pointed out, brough, Crabtree, the halves, t burgess etc.. Is laughable.
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| Quote: TheButcher "Nice rant.
You are Kevin Sinfield and I claim my £5...
Translation = I'd be inclined to reply but can't think of anything as you've torn apart my previous posts with an accurate and good post about the match.
That I posted accurately with good points about a game and you've dismissed it as a rant and dickswinging because you can't think of a counter argument shows you up very badly.
You know someone is mentally weak when all they can retort is "you are 'so & so' and I claim my £5/10". Classic last ditch no better reply line.
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| Quote: Dally "Have some dignity! Look at the names in the Australian team of 1982 - Meninga, Miles, Groethe, Boustead, Anderson, Wally Lewis, Brett Keeny, etc, etc. Woods was better than the all was he. You are just deluded.'"
For pure talent and all round ability John was better than all of them, yes, and he could probably have drunk them all under the table as well
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| Quote: saintcj "My team
Hardaker
Charnley (more urgency needed)
Cudjoe
Watkins
Hall
Tomkins
Chase
Graham
Roby
Hill
Westwood
Ferres
Sinfield
G burgess
SOL
Burrow
S burgess
There are no other props good enough so I would use Sam as a prop
Unless by some miracle j peacock or Crabtree was drafted in.
The only way McNamara will keep the job after this is to win the World Cup.
The obvious selection problems that everyone has pointed out, brough, Crabtree, the halves, t burgess etc.. Is laughable.'"
I'd agree with that except I'd start with Sam Burgess with Westwood on the bench. I may even start with Tomkins on the bench and bring him on for attacking impact.
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| Quote: Starbug "For pure talent and all round ability John was better than all of them, yes, and he could probably have drunk them all under the table as well
I'll never forget him missing a kick from about 10 yards out in front of the posts one New Year's day. Must have been a good New Year's Eve party the night before.
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