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| Quote walter bishop="walter bishop"According to Shaun McRae there is no momentum rule, heard him say it in commentary at the weekend, I would much sooner take his word for it than Stevo.
I agree that we (and the ref) should be getting alot more from the touch judges, some of the decisions they make/don't make, are just cringingly embarrassing.'"
The Notes to the RFL Operational rules do refer to "momentum". Strictly it might not be a "momentum rule" as such, but it seems valid to refer to that way?
10 KnockOn & Forward Pass
Deliberate 1. A player shall be penalised if he deliberately knocks on or passes forward.
Accidental 2. If, after knocking-on accidentally, the player knocking-on regains or kicks the ball before it touches the ground, a goal post, cross bar or an opponent, then play shall be allowed to proceed.
Otherwise play shall stop and a scrum shall be formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.
Charge-down 3. To charge-down a kick is permissible and is not a knock-on.
Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction.
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Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass.
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| Quote Stealth Comic="Stealth Comic"To have a "momentum" rule would suggest that a player's mass has an effect on the direction of the ball whilst passed as momentum = mass x velocity. It doesn't.
However a player's forward motion (velocity) whilst carrying the ball does have an effect on the direction of the ball whilst passed which can make the ball appear to travel forward relative to the pitch markings even though it's clear at the point of release the player has passed it behind himself. Which is why the rule is relative to the player not the ground because otherwise you'd have a pretty static game.'"
I've argued this point for a couple of years now. It should be the constant velocity rule.
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| Quote tristram="tristram"I am of the opinion that the video referee is a failed experiment...
1. there is no way that the RFL can afford to have a VR at every game (they can barely afford decent touch judges)
2. 1 means that the game is played to 2 sets of rules'"
The rules for all SL games are exactly the same. Games with the VR just mean the rules will be under more scrutiny.
It's like saying that unless we have the same referee at each game, the rules will be different.
Quote tristram="tristram"3. It gives the defending side valuable recovery time in what might be a tight game'"
It gives the attacking team the exact same amount of time.
Quote tristram="tristram"4. even the video ref makes monumental f* ups!'"
As will any human referee. However, the VR makes FAR FEWER cock-ups than a regular ref.
Quote tristram="tristram"So, the answer drop the VR and let us fans get on with bemoaning the injustice when we see the replay. Then either go with 1 ref or employ 2 refs on the field.'"
I'd rather the RFL work towards getting more to be honest, and stopping this moaning culture.
Quote tristram="tristram"P.S. Call me old fashioned, but I also fail to see how professional refs has enhanced the quality of decisions
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Have to agree with you there. I honestly can't see a difference other than maybe they're fitter.
Quote tristram="tristram"P.P.S. OOOPS forgot the original post. Yes, technology could track the ball but you'd also need location tags on all the players and a set of samples of the passing players location leading up to the pass to be able to calculate the vectors needed to make an accurate decision. Oh, and (economically priced) location devices don't tend to be overly accurate. Maybe one day!'"
No you wouldn't. You'd only need the ball to be recognised. The velocity of the ball in possession could be calculated without a player being tagged. The time of the pass would be identifiable with a change in velocity.
To calculate velocity, you'd only need to know the location of the try line. That's the direction of speed the rule applies to. Why would the players' locations matter?
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| Because if a player passes at full speed then the ball will always finish further forward than where he passed it from. However this is not a forward pass therefore the players location is vital or most passes at speed could be deemed forward.
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