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[quote="Rob Wire":qtnftxzx]WIGAN ARE BACK to what exactly ? Oh i see what you mean, back to beating weakened teams. How many key players did we have missing in the cup ? Just remind us again how many key players did Saints have missing in last years grand final ? When did you actually last beat a strong Saints or Warringtom team ? Don't include beating us last year at the HJ, we had a lead of around 14pts and were cruising then we lost both Briers and Monaghan, another example of Wigan capitalising on other teams misfortunes.[/quote:qtnftxzx] [color=#FF0000:qtnftxzx][list:qtnftxzx]Gotta' love 'em.[/list:u:qtnftxzx][/color:qtnftxzx] [color=#FF0000:qtnftxzx]"You can shove yer f****** England up yer a***"[/color:qtnftxzx]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_51917.jpg



This could work, if the RFL had the guts to do it.

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Crusaders are done, the stigma now attached to the club means that even if they were bailed out financially there wouldn't be much of a future for them.

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[quote="headhunter":lnxdgxk2]Union people are idiots. They almost universally accept that league is a better, faster game played by better athletes, yet for some reason they continue to disregard and belittle it. That game is tedious as hell from start to finish. If he'd ever played or even bothered to give more than a fleeting chance to league he would realise that the game is far more 'technical' than Union ever could be. Booting the ball into touch, scrummaging and forming rucks and mauls aren't areas that involve any skill, technique or mental capacity whatsoever. These are clumsy, outdated facets of the game that are also extremely uninteresting to watch and thus have to be defended in some way by people who are too prejudiced to see the truth.[/quote:lnxdgxk2]:



Don't believe they've got stigma.....triumph over adversity- often thats when you see the best in human nature. In the sense of the fans im sure they would stick with them if it was a backs to the walls effort and the RFL decided to take over the running of them.

It would take some balls from the RFL but is possibly the only feasible option. But if the RFL are serious about driving this game forward, they need to start acquiring assets themseves as a business anyway and so this would work on all levels IMO. I think the crusaders would actually get alot of floating support through this as they would be the RFL club.

Come on RFL - Hands in the pockets. Dont let the crusaders fail. Given the population of north wales Wrexham is the only viable place we are ever going to have a north wales team and if we lose what we've got now, and that ground is lost to the uni, we will never go back and North wales will certainly be lost. IMO we actually have more potential in North wales than south, due to proximity to the northern clubs bringing more fans that will support the game, and also because the majority of North Wales people are not ingrained with rugby union, and so will give league a chance. Add to that there is very little top level sport in the area and it shows what an ideal location that wrexham is. Lets not lose it now into the abyss forever.

Come on RFL - Give them 3 years. if it doesnt work and they're losing hand over fist even with proper management then pull the plug then, but surely with the money the RFL have been making in the last few years, even if it did make losses they could be sustained.

The RFL owe wales a chance.

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Actually not a bad idea at all!

If there is any stigma its attached to Moss and Roberts, not the club.

Problem I would imagine is that though the RFL does make a tidy sum nowadays a lot of it gets redistributed out to the clubs and development. I can't imagine they have a bank account that they've been quietly putting money away in, which amounts to the sort of cash needed to buy a club and a ground.

Still, I like the idea.

There's been a bit of talk about the NRL and Melbourne Storm and how the RFL should look at this case to see how to expand the game. This would be the answer. If they struck up a good deal with the football lot it might ease the negativity there. And yes, it would be seen as preferential treatment if they did eventually make it back into SL, but by owning a running a club the RFL can demonstrate exactly how they want it to be done for all to see.

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Is my math wrong but if the RFL have a 750,000 pounds loan against the ground and the asking price for the ground is 2,000,000 then shouldnt it only cost 1,250,000 to purchase the ground.

In any case the original suggestion to buy the ground, if doable, would be a great idea. Are there any funds the Welsh RFL could attract if the proposed to make it a Welsh national stadium for RL?

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It could also save the Soccer club and that would go a long way to getting the locals on side.

Without the ground, both clubs are stuffed.

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Quote: eels fan "It could also save the Soccer club and that would go a long way to getting the locals on side.

Without the ground, both clubs are stuffed.'"



Very true and at last the football clubs fans and Crusaders fans are united when they have too often been at each others throats and the fact some Wrexham FC fans have boycotted the Crusaders so not to give Moss and Roberts any more money has not helped.

Everyone should be behind what Wrexham Supporters Trust are trying to do and if they win there could well be a future for a RL team there.

Interesting to see how many turn out at the protest rally tomorrow (3pm) but hopefully a big turnout wearing both sides jerseys to get more publicity for the fight for both team's survival.

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This is a very good idea.

Anyone know if this whole discussion could be emailed to the RFL?

In one action, without a huge outlay, the RFL could buy a home for Wales Rugby League, keep the game going if only to keep the momentum going with junior teams, as well as giving the game some good will from round ball lovers in the area.

It would enable the Wrexham Supporters Trust to develop a business plan to buy the soccer club and investors for the rugby operation.

Both teams should benefit from the goodwill of not being linked to any of the previous owners.

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Buy the whole lot, soccer team included for 2 million, mortgage if needed.
Give the soccer team to the WST for nothing (its a loss making operation), and imagine the positive publicity the RFL would get in the area!

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Such a good idea and hardly expensive in the scheme of things. But too good an idea for the RFL to go for it. Shame the WRL don't have the cash to do it.

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Agreed, buy the Racecourse Ground, make it the home of Wales RL, give Wrexham FC a 99 year lease to not only make some money back on rent, but also win favour with their fans too.

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A very good idea on paper. I have always believed that Crusaders needed time and they were probably, in hindsight, fast-tracked into SL too soon.

A know people in Wrexham, and a good few have taken to supporting them. Who cares if Wrexham is 'only just' inside Wales? The natives are fiercely Welsh and proud of it, which is an excellent thing.

The only stumbling blocks are the running costs. Yes, the ground can be bought cheap, the club could probably be bought cheap. But then how do you fund players salaries, and the running of the club? You need lots of cash for that, and if sponsors and crowds are not forthcoming, then you have to argue that the current board were right to pull the plug.

Sadly, it's a catch 22 situation. To survive and most importantly prosper, the club really need to be in Super League. However the club isn't ready to be in Super League. What you're effectively asking the RFL to do, is put a shedload of cash into preparing the club for THREE YEARS, without a return on their investment.

That said, if the RFL are serious about Wales, and making RL work there, then they should seriously look at it. Whether they can afford it or not, is another matter.

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Sounds like a plan. I'm sure that there must be sponsors willing to help fund the team and I guess S4C would also show games again.

Email the RFL and make them know

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Sounds like a plan. I'm sure that there must be sponsors willing to help fund the team and I guess S4C would also show games again.

Email the RFL and make them know

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The RFL already have a business plan for running a club at Wrexham in front of them, they deemed it unsustainable. If it is possible for the two clubs in Wrexham to pay enough rent to make this a profitable exercise then they should do it, a knockdown price as they own a majority of the ground already would be good oif possible. Then there is the bonus of having a stadium for Welsh internationals wthout having to pay for it and maintaing the roots laid down in the last couple of years.
The problem is they would no doubt try to fast track the team into super league again or realise that it is not sustainable for anyone to run the club from the championships, something to which fans of other championship clubs will no doubt atest

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