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It will create a level playing field that the best clubs will flourish in instead of this fantasyland sport we now have, please let it happen.

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Quote: maurice "It will create a level playing field that the best clubs will flourish in instead of this fantasyland sport we now have, please let it happen.'"


Without the Sky money Rugby League would no longer be a professional sport. Several of the teams in SL would go out of business completely including some of the big names and the entire sport would be forced to cut costs drastically. The NL would become even more irrelevant as they wouldn't get any money either.

The end of the Sky deal is pretty much doomsday.

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Quote: Saddened! "Without the Sky money Rugby League would no longer be a professional sport. Several of the teams in SL would go out of business completely including some of the big names and the entire sport would be forced to cut costs drastically. The NL would become even more irrelevant as they wouldn't get any money either.

The end of the Sky deal is pretty much doomsday.'"


I agree with your sentiment, but ofcom really do need to do something about the current operation of Sky in being both content and delivery provider and not operating under 'fair' terms. It's exactly the same as BT were forced to separate parts of their business and provide wholesale offerings to other operators at fixed prices (and the same prices they were then forced to charge other parts of BT). The resultant changes worked well in the Telecoms industry.

It's not out of the question for this to actually be beneficial to Sky in the long run, as it's trying to make their content available to a wider audience at a fair rate - which could result in them making more than they do now, and give them more money to invest in sports for example.

To be honest the whole letter reads to me like somebody who is 'concerned of acacia avenue' expressing his views on a company not being allowed to do something - the same company that pays his salary.

The RFL's main areas of concern about wholesale offerings dissuading new entrants to do things themselves actually had the opposite effect in Telecoms, it allowed companies to establish a foothold and brand by wholesaling, then developing and delivering the services themselves later. A more valid point is their fear of things being moved to Sky 3 or Sky Sports xtra to keep them from being wholesaled - now that I do agree on, and feel either all Sky's channels need to be available wholesale or non at all.

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Quote: Saddened! "Without the Sky money Rugby League would no longer be a professional sport. Several of the teams in SL would go out of business completely including some of the big names and the entire sport would be forced to cut costs drastically. The NL would become even more irrelevant as they wouldn't get any money either.

The end of the Sky deal is pretty much doomsday.'"


Maybe not!
I remember a conversation with a Hull FC director who put forward a diferent senario at the time of our move to summer. His theory was that if we had one live match & one recorded highlights programe per week shown on BBC sport the revenue value to sponsors would increase the clubs income from sponsorship & we would not need The sky money. He actualy sugested getting the BBC to take it for nothing as long as we got the same coverage as SKY give the super league as the number of potential viewers nation wide makes SKY viewing figures look tiny.
But It would take a brave man to try that.

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Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "I agree with your sentiment, but ofcom really do need to do something about the current operation of Sky in being both content and delivery provider and not operating under 'fair' terms. It's exactly the same as BT were forced to separate parts of their business and provide wholesale offerings to other operators at fixed prices (and the same prices they were then forced to charge other parts of BT). The resultant changes worked well in the Telecoms industry.

It's not out of the question for this to actually be beneficial to Sky in the long run, as it's trying to make their content available to a wider audience at a fair rate - which could result in them making more than they do now, and give them more money to invest in sports for example.

To be honest the whole letter reads to me like somebody who is 'concerned of acacia avenue' expressing his views on a company not being allowed to do something - the same company that pays his salary.'"


why would they want to invest more money in sports?

The problem is, built into the price Sky pay is a premium for their content to be exclusive, this is how they get subscriptions, if they lose this exclusivity of this content, then they wont pay that premium and as such the value of the rights will drop

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Quote: Beverley red "Maybe not!
I remember a conversation with a Hull FC director who put forward a diferent senario at the time of our move to summer. His theory was that if we had one live match & one recorded highlights programe per week shown on BBC sport the revenue value to sponsors would increase the clubs income from sponsorship & we would not need The sky money. He actualy sugested getting the BBC to take it for nothing as long as we got the same coverage as SKY give the super league as the number of potential viewers nation wide makes SKY viewing figures look tiny.
But It would take a brave man to try that.'"


But that would only apply to the clubs featured , so the big clubs , the ones on the TV all the time would grow strong , but the rest would suffer badly

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Quote: maurice "It will create a level playing field that the best clubs will flourish in instead of this fantasyland sport we now have, please let it happen.'"


Just as when Wigan were the only club who could afford to go full time & dam near killed the game off? We are still not recovered from the damage that period did to our game. HKR are just recovering from that time we lost our ground & went bust trying to get back to the top Widness have been through similar experiances. Bad as it is now it is preferable to the farce we had in the 1980's

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Quote: Saddened! "Without the Sky money Rugby League would no longer be a professional sport. Several of the teams in SL would go out of business completely including some of the big names and the entire sport would be forced to cut costs drastically. The NL would become even more irrelevant as they wouldn't get any money either.

The end of the Sky deal is pretty much doomsday.'"


We dont have much to lose anyway , so the loss of SKY would have little to no effect on the clubs outside SL , personally I doubt the value of the TV coverage that we currently get

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Quote: Starbug "But that would only apply to the clubs featured , so the big clubs , the ones on the TV all the time would grow strong , but the rest would suffer badly'"

The RFL have to be in charge of the alocation of games on a fair basis & gate revenues would have to be shared out from a central pot. Also the salary cap has to stay.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "why would they want to invest more money in sports?

The problem is, built into the price Sky pay is a premium for their content to be exclusive, this is how they get subscriptions, if they lose this exclusivity of this content, then they wont pay that premium and as such the value of the rights will drop'"


You're looking at it purely from Sky as one entity (content+delivery company) what ofcom are proposing would still allow Sky to be an exclusive content provider, just make them offer the content to other delivery providers at a fixed fair cost (it would still be Sky branded content).

BT had to do exactly the same thing in reverse - it owned at the time the only delivery platform (and still the largest by far until we see how LTE takes off in this country next year), and was forced to wholesale the delivery to other content providers. It's just the other side of the same coin and the way competition laws work.

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Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "You're looking at it purely from Sky as one entity (content+delivery company) what ofcom are proposing would still allow Sky to be an exclusive content provider, just make them offer the content to other delivery providers at a fixed fair cost (it would still be Sky branded content).'"


but you may not need a Sky subscription to access, which is the issue

if i dont need to pay to subscribe to Sky to watch RL, why would i still pay Sky to watch RL?

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I think the RFL make some good points in that report. Sky are accused of a monopoly but they took the risks years ago when the rights were cheap. They invested in football and rugby league massively and made them the sports they are today. It's not there fault competitors have over spent and collapsed. First ITV Digital then Setanta. I can't see how Sky can be blamed for the collapse of Setanta. They both clearly over spent on football and it failed massively.

Without Sky our sport would have collapsed completly. We'd have gone back to how it was in the late 70s/early 80s with 4,000 crowds being regular at places like Central Park and Knowsley Road with league games probably only being covered on a regional basis. Without Sky Wigan would have gone under as well in the late 90s and they probably wouldn't have been the only club.

Having said that Sky have always been crafty in giving themselves an edge. For a long time they denied Sky Sports Xtra to Cable viewers and put Football League and Champions League games on that channel so they missed out. I remember a Wigan v Saints derby was aired on that channel in 2002 which left Cable viewers missing out. They only got that channel in the end because Sky's new edge is exclusive HD.

What OFCOM should look it is that the consumer can't just buy Sky Sports from Sky. You have to buy a load of basically repeat channels as well.

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The championship would go amateur and most of the SL would be semi pro.
Leeds, Wire, Wigan and Hull would probably be alright off the top of my head but costs would be cut massively.

This has to be stopped.
As soon as sky rights go, our sky in our house go, same for a lot of people i reckon

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Quote: SmokeyTA "but you may not need a Sky subscription to access, which is the issue

if i dont need to pay to subscribe to Sky to watch RL, why would i still pay Sky to watch RL?'"


You will still pay for it, they're not proposing that it will be free to air - Sky will still get the money, but via wholesale rather than direct subscriber.

You don't need to pay to subscribe to Sky to watch RL at the moment, if you live in the right area you can pay to Virgin instead for the same channel - currently Virgin get dicked by Sky in the amount they are charged.

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Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "You will still pay for it, they're not proposing that it will be free to air - Sky will still get the money, but via wholesale rather than direct subscriber.

You don't need to pay to subscribe to Sky to watch RL at the moment, if you live in the right area you can pay to Virgin instead for the same channel - currently Virgin get dicked by Sky in the amount they are charged.'"


Touche.

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