Never? Even back in the dark days when they were about to go under?

Daz Clark ??? Usually it takes more than 5 years for 'top class' players to learn. Out of interest could you define 'top class players' please.

There is no need for Wigan/Warrington and Leeds to sign Cas players because they can pay for and bring through their own because of a) money and b) attraction of being at a big club.

However, your ridiculing of Cas is quite amusing given the side currently top of the league (Huddersfield) features several ex-Cas academy players, which is a lot more than Leeds have done this season. To name them for you: Lunt, Blackmore, Cording, Dawson, not to mention Ferres has come from a Cas conurbation and Larne Patrick is from nearby Pontefract.

Well for instance look at the players coming out of the top academies making up a decent part of the England squad. I'd say top class is those getting regular rep honours for England.

Yep that's what I'd say too. The challenge for those on a 3 grade is to start developing quality players not just squad fillers at bottom half of the table teams. For some to gloss over the lack of quality by simply pointing at a handful of average to poor players is not helpful to anyone.

So, what have the clubs/areas judged to be better produced ???

A Leeds fan and a Wakey fan getting cheap digs in at Cas..... I'm amazed, honestly

Shaun Lunt, a hooker that you would have happily taken at Leeds after last season and a hooker who really should be in the international set-up?

And regarding Patrick/Ferres, I merely included them to point out how fruitful Castleford as an area is to subsidise the Cas produced players. It was made to illustrate just how elitist and disingenuous you are because you hate Cas, much as you dress it up otherwise.

Shaun Lunt is a good player. He isn't evidence of a succeeding youth development system. The fact Ferres and Patrick are from places not too far from Cas isn't evidence of Cas Tigers youth development system working.

As a game we can look at our failings and address them, or we can ignore them and pretend they don't exist with spurious arguments about players being born in nearby villages, how other clubs are 'lucky' or that criticism is just because others hate your club.

The funny thing is, I would love clubs like Cas and hkr to improve and challenge, but as long as they keep burying their heads, my club keeps lifting trophies

Not cheap digs at Cas, you are producing good, solid SL players and are considerably better at producing talent than most of the league, but all the top players are coming from the select few academies. If the rest of SL could all reach Wigan and Leeds standards it would increase the pool of top players, improving playing standards in SL and Internationals.

I think licensing was the right way to go about trying to achieve this, but it's been poorly executed this time round.

So you support our argument that Castleford is undeserving of it's 3 rating and should be a 2. Not quite upto Wigan/Leeds/Saints standards but better than most of the other sides in the league.

The RFL clearly aren't judging the number of players produced as the main element their scoring or the North East Academy etc wouldn't have Grade 2's. I think its a more holistic sort of audit, meant to flag areas of best practice in the various sides of the academies and set a standard for all clubs to work towards.

Cas do produce a good number of decent SL players, but maybe (for example)the careers/aftercare side of things isn't up to scratch and prevents them from getting a 2.

Why is it undeserving of its rating? The rating isn't relative to other clubs, it's based on set criteria.
The only evidence I've seen given so far for Cas having an amazing academy is an unproven hooker and a load of young lads playing for Cas. A team that only avoided last place in 2012 on points difference and is currently 12th.

As I said before, the challenge is for the likes of Cas to start producing quality players, not average to poor players.
If you or CTID wants to turn that comment into some kind of evidence of "Cas hating" then feel free to live in that paranoid world.

7 pages discussing a RFL document which wouldn't look out of place as a piece of low grade, poorly researched school homework.

There's some people who are stereotypical RL fans here.

Instead of debating how the problems can be rectified they instantly claim the report to be wrong.