But the licencing system is snapshot of the League as it existed at the time it was introduced - more or less. If that snapshot had been taken before Hull KR, had been promoted they'd be marooned in the championship trying to maintain the same standard for three years. As for promoted teams going straight back down, what about Wakefield, Huddersfield, Cas, Hull FC, Salford - all promoted in the P&R era -all still there. The only promoted team to bring P&R into disrepute IMO are Celtic Crusaders/Crusaders with their inelligible players and last minute withdrawal last season.
When under P&R did we have a player suing the RFL because of a failed transfer?

Huddersfield and Hull were saved from relegation due to going bust etc. The others were promoted when Superleague was still in its infancy. P&R would not work now due to the gulf in class between the 2 leagues. The only way it would work is by bringing the SL clubs down closer to the championship level. That wouldn't be fair to the SL clubs after the hard work they have put in over the years just so the championship clubs can have a crack at super league. It is up to the Championship clubs to improve vastly which I can't see happening.

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The only way is to improve the Championships , that in itself would force the current SL clubs to improve to remain in SL

Yes you are correct , the clubs have to improve , but they require help to do so , There is no way HKR s current owner would support them in the Championships now as he did with P and R in place

But to help the championship clubs, you will have to spread the current resources more thinly thus bringing down the SL clubs.

Quote: Promotion woukld not work now because of the gulf in class between the two leagues"

You mean the gulf that was demosntrated in Fev V Cas and Wigan and Batley V Broncos in the cup. That gulf in class.

Where have I suggested that SL money is spent on the Championships?

It is about best use of resources, not just the amount you spend

I also didn't mention money.

So what ' resources ' were you reffering to?

What are the average attendances for the top Championship clubs?They will need better crowds and the Gulf is big.Look at Featherstone after games against Superleague teams, as took it out of them as got smashed in the Championship in the next game.Games are intense every week in Superleague.

So surely that is the challenge Andy? , if it just a case of " well the Championships have always had poor attendances, there is nothing that can be done " then its time to just pack it in

I understand your points and it Ashame not more money in the game.I love promotion and relegation as fun end of the season.But due to a big gulf in salary cap of £300,000 and over 1.2 million to 1.8 million makes it difficult.I am hoping at my club next season we spend more on players and get rid of the garbage.Adjustment is big and if was relegation we be straight back down.We was poor in the Championship, but not all players want to be fulltime,as some fulltime are not so better off if had another job.

NOt for the bottom teams they aren't. As Tomkins said last week, they play competitively for 20 minutes or so but if they go a couple of tried behind to one of the top teams they turn it in, because they know there's no danger of relegation so why pull your tripes out? The bottom of Super League is a joke comp. The lack of intensity week by week is why our top players are unable to beat Australia. We need some way to motivate the bottom teams and nothing motivates a team like fear. That is what all sport is about. Hopes and fears. It's also why crowds turn out. When Wigan's results became predictable in the late eighties, early nineties, despite their success their crowds actually diminished.
The classic example of what promotion and relegation can do in terms of international sport is English cricket. Under the old County Championship when by July most players were just going through the motions we were the world's easybeats. Now after the introduction of P&R we are challengers for the no 1 Test team spot.

P&R is not the reason for the England cricket team doing well. Central contracts and a change in coaching is the reason.

If not money then what other resources are you talking about ?

The revival in England cricket came after the introduction of P & R into the County Championship - it's pressure and intensity that builds international players, not comfort zones. The Aussies don't P&R that's true, but they do have the incentive of the State of Origin team. The money they can make playing SOO must drive them to excel.