Ellis is a fantastic player and whilst he doesnt get all the headlines Burgess gets, i'd choose him over Burgess anyday.
Burgess' defense is still suspect at times, yet Ellis is a workhorse for 80 minutes. As much commitment as any Nrl forward
I do like Gallen though, he loves the biff and will have a swing at anyone regardless of size

Paul Gallen was very good and is arguably the best running around. Won't get much arguement from me. It's a three horse race from where I sit. Thaiday, Ellis and Gallen.

England have the potential for a wonderful pack with the likes of Wilkin, O'Loughlin, Ellis, Morley, Burgess, Heigho (if he chooses to), Graham, etc.

Gallen is as wide as he is tall.

Easily the best forward in the NRL.

Gallen.

Guaranteed - Antagonist - Liable - to - Leak - Endless - Needless - infractions.

engand certainly have the forwards to match australia.

in ellis and burgess they have players who have starred against the best the nrl can offer

throw in morley whose done it here before and graham thats the basis of an excellent forward pack

ellis and burgess have nothing to fear from aussie players, they matched or bettered them over a 26 week nrl season

I've got no problems over those four it's off the bench and at hooker I worry.

Competitive games and strong attendences are my hopes.

And why have aus picked 3 hookers and gidley? A bit odd when smith can do the 80.

Roby is an excellent player at hooker.

The others I mentioned in the VT thread are also high quality.

Roby is all class.
He should definitely be the starting hooker.

to be fair im glad to see that 2 england players are being branded about as two of the best in the world and plying there trade in the nrl...with those 2 along with mozza,graham,roby and o'loughlin i think england can match any pack in the world...shame our backs are guna be our down fall!! Excluding tomkins an super tom briscoe of course!

because they never have means they never will then??? Unfortunatly we lack strength in the backs which cant compare with slater,inglis etc but we have a class pack an i stand by that!!

Thats ok.

Forums are all about exchanging views.


If you (and others) choose to overlook the fact that Englands pack has never made any impression on Australias in any major tournament since god alone only knows when then fine.

your missing the point..im not disagreeing that weve been second best against aus for god nos how many years..that does not mean that this pack cannot match them!..2 of our forwards are over there matching the rest,mozzas just as good as when he was over there and dont rule out the rest that u probably no nothing about...like i say our backs are weak which will be our down fall!!