FaxMachine knows that Crusaders are in Wales, not in West Yorkshire or south Lancashire. Therefore there are no rugby league fans in Wales. Therefore there are no Welsh fans attending Crusaders games. Therefore the crowd figures must be due to a) visiting fans, b) free tickets or c) lies. Simples.

Great attendance for their first home game, by the 3rd or 4th the crowd was down by 60%

Down 40% not 60% from the initial attendance and that is a pessimistic view. While not as high as the sell out for the first game, crowds of 6000 are still higher than last years and higher than current and other previous super league clubs

Utter nonsense

1, Yes they do & some, which is why I began to highlight your downword trends
2, No I have not, show me where.
3, Another LIE, Again show me where ?
4, Which is why other clubs fans are low, when they have been poor, crowds drop, which is again what im highlighting to you but you seem incapable of understanding the point, that if like EXAMPLE HERE clubs like Barrow, Or Say Oldham or WIDNES ....IF you suffered several seasons of utter crapola then WIDNES crowds would be LOW.....As this seasons figures show your (((several hundred down))) for the very same reasons, bad form, little to play for, fans on a downer, Why can you not see that.

You lot bang on that your better supported then the rest (and you currently are) but things change, compare apples to apples, not teams who are slowly rising from the abyss againt solid successful-ish clubs.

5, Another whopper from you , show me where i,ve stated this ?? thats right you can not and you have the brass neck to call me a duplicitous little liar



You lot appear paranoid about not getting into SL for 2012 are other clubs getting to you that much ?
Are you that scared clubs like Fev, Leigh, Barrow or Fax will get in ahead of you.

We smell your fear

See how desparate they are

they try to twist everything anyone says over and over again, when anyone pulls them on it, seige mentallity kicks in and they then abuse you, what nice guys



This thread being a good example of this

Thats to be expected by rational people thought aint it.

New stadium, New sport, New team thats the media hype surrounding all that, if you expect the same number of paying punters to turn out every single game forever , then you are deluded.

More than half the crowd against us were home fans. The main stand was full with home fans. We took just under 3k.

Leeds had an allocation of just under 2k apparently. Over 8k home fans.

I would imagine Hull FC would take around 2-3k but the crowd was near 7k.

Hudds took 1.5k according to someone on their board, so again, you got it, more home fans.

Catalans was a poor crowd but still 2k for a cup tie on tv. Home fans again.

HKR attracted many gates of around 1600/1800 in the late 90's and early 2000's and look at them now, 8000 home fans almost every game.People get bored after so many years of lower grade RL.Besides,as has been pointed out,it was a midweek pay on the gate cup tie live on TV so was always going to be below our average.Don't any other professional RL clubs post cup tie attendances, live on TV,much below their league average or is it just Widnes?

CD - Widnes fans do go on about their crowds in comparison to others.

Regardless, I would prefer to see Widnes in SL in place of Les Cats and the Crusaders. I think you will get decent, but not great, crowds. I just hope you winthr GF to justify your position in SL.

Justify to who?

... and that would justify their place in superleague in the same way as crusaders, catalans and harlequins won championships to justify their places would it?

Good argument apart from the fact you don't ask how many of the 6124 for the home game against Catalans were away fans also.