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I think you're both saying the same thing aren't you? Why the disagreement? icon_biggrin.gif

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: littlerich "I think you're both saying the same thing aren't you? Why the disagreement?
i dont think we are,

im saying UTC beat Toulouse in 2005 and St Gaudens beat them the year before,

Bowes is both massively offended by this and again strangely indignant at this being my opinion because he believes i am talking rubbish because Toulouse lost to UTC in 2005 and UTC lost to St Gaudens the year before that


its a very confusing situation

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Quote: bowes "The RFL have clearly stated that all clubs including toulouse have to win the NRC or reach the Championship grand final to be able to apply for a SL license so it isn't just me. If they do one of those next year then I'll be glad to support their inclusion, but it just isn't realistic'"


Quote: bowes "

no they havent, you have gotten confused again
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Maybe they havent, but they havent come out to say that Toulouse are exempt for this rule though have they? Or have i missed that announcement?

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Quote: littlerich "I think you're both saying the same thing aren't you? Why the disagreement?
Jeez I was struggling to try and understand what my club are doing but that 'debate' has took my mind off it (mind you it's took my mind off everything icon_smile.gif )

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Quote: Traffic "Jeez I was struggling to try and understand what my club are doing but that 'debate' has took my mind off it (mind you it's took my mind off everything
I see that you're a Crusaders fan?

Put the mouse down and step away from this thread.

Nothing to see here eusa_whistle.gif

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Quick, traffic, rich lets all start talking crud and hopefully knock them two off their game.
Like, seriously, get a hobby guys

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Quote: littlerich "I see that you're a Crusaders fan?

Put the mouse down and step away from this thread.

Nothing to see here
By the look of it nothing to see anywhere unless I move to Wrexham icon_cry.gif

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Quote: Dico "Quick, traffic, rich lets all start talking crud and hopefully knock them two off their game.
Like, seriously, get a hobby guys'"


Fine but no streaking !!

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Quote: Traffic "By the look of it nothing to see anywhere unless I move to Wrexham
The further North you move, the happier you will be. The M62 corridor is calling you like the Bermuda Triangle icon_smile.gif

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Quote: littlerich "The further North you move, the happier you will be. The M62 corridor is calling you like the Bermuda Triangle
Funnily enough, lately I've even started thinking about wearing a flat cap icon_lol.gif

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On the subject of Toulouse, can we just clarify once and for all that the RFL have clearly stated that the same rules apply to them as all other clubs in terms of eligibility to apply for a licence.......

www.therfl.co.uk/~therflc/home/n ... p?id=11628

Rumour has it that there's to be a French group in the NRC too this year, which will obviously enhance their chances.
On the subject of Toulouse, can we just clarify once and for all that the RFL have clearly stated that the same rules apply to them as all other clubs in terms of eligibility to apply for a licence.......

www.therfl.co.uk/~therflc/home/n ... p?id=11628

Rumour has it that there's to be a French group in the NRC too this year, which will obviously enhance their chances.


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Quote: SmokeyTA "The franchise policy will never see legal scrutiny, a simple clause in bidding stating that by bidding you accept the RFLs/SLs decision as final would put a stop to that quite quickly'"

But can you deny a team a SL license and replace them with one using different criteria? That may see legal scrutiny.

Quote: SmokeyTA "besides it wasnt, never has been, and likely never will be, that clubs who dont play in the Championship or NRC need to win or get to a championship/NRC GF to be able to bid'"

So what you're saying is if you are in the Championship or the NRC and want to be in the SL but don't think you'll meet the stated criteria then the best idea is to just drop out of the league? I don't really think that is the message the RFL are trying to send here, do you?

Quote: SmokeyTA "

it doesnt, it argues against your own point,

if the in 1895 RL didnt exist, yet all the clubs who joined the NRFU were semi-pro, so 11 years later, when they were still semi-pro and they created a new sport RL, then they were never amateur RL sides were they? they were semi-pro RL sides who became pro RL sides but who were ultimately born of semi-pro RU sides who were a fair amount of time previously amateur RU sides

though again, this is irrellevant as what i actually said was there hasnt been one in more than 80 years, Castleford were the last ones to do it in 36 (i think) the last amateur side to be admitted to the semi-pro ranks was the skolars in 2002, and as far as i am aware there was no club in between those two'"


No, in 1895, the RFL didn't exist. We are an evolution from rugby union. We started off playing their laws. The clubs were amateur before they turned semi-pro playing the same identical sport, whether they were governed by the RFL/NRFU or the RFU is irrelevant. They were amateur before they went semi-pro, and semi-pro before they went fully pro.

As for irrelevant, your 80 year time line is pointless. Amateur rugby league was a dying breed prior to the 70s. And after 96, amateur rugby league was played in a different season. There are hindering factors as to why there has been slow progress and the system must be looked at.

I don't understand how you can argue that the top-down system is the best because there are no example of the bottom-up system working, when there are no examples of the top-down system working in this country, and 11 out of 14 SL clubs came from the bottom-up method.

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Quote: Derwent "On the subject of Toulouse, can we just clarify once and for all that the RFL have clearly stated that the same rules apply to them as all other clubs in terms of eligibility to apply for a licence.......


Do you have a link for when Wood said about the NRC winners and Grand Final winners being allowed to apply? I can't find it.

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Quote: bowes "I suggest you read that lying pathetic troll

UTC beat Toulouse 66-16 the year before they joined SL (Toulouse is the venue if you bothered to read it) and the year before St Gaudens beat UTC 14-10 as I said. If you read the scores in not one of the years you highlighted did Toulouse win the Elite

I expect a full apology for your unjustified abuse twice. Toulouse have not won the French Elite since 2000-01 (I think, it just calls it 2000) as that list very very very very clearly states if you bothered to read it rather than just quote a part without the headings'"


To be fair bowes, he never said they did.

Quote: bowes "I wonder who UTC beat in 2005 to win the French Elite?'"


Quote: bowes "St Gaudens (which is near Toulouse I'll give you, though the French Elite was better then than it is now)'"


Quote: bowes "nope, it was Toulouse, '"


He said who UTC beat, not who beat UTC. He said that UTC beat Toulouse in 2005, which your stats show.

An unfortunate mis-read for you there.

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