you might want to look back and see who ignored the relevant part of my post,

i havent changed the subject at all, i have explained to you there may not be any 'tangible' benefit to the existing NL clubs, because the existing NL clubs arent the most important thing in rugby league, everything isnt done with them in mind, and everything isnt done for their benefit, it isnt all about a few clubs in the NLs the game is bigger than them!

and to answer the other part of your post (which somehow isnt changing the subject from the tangible benefits, but is still completely irrelevant to it, hypocrisy thy name is starbug) the Leigh complaints were pathetic, they went to press bad mouthing another club and questioning their right to be where they are

[i''We are thoroughly disgusted with the Celtic decision,'' Allan Rowley, their chief executive, said. ''The decision-makers should hang their heads in shame.

"We are going to ask the RFL how Celtic ticked more boxes. We owe that to the public of Leigh.''[/i

comments like these seem like a fairly blatant example of Leigh trying to use the media to pressure the RFL into re-examining their position

These comments made the day after the decision [ 3 months ago ] as you have highlighted were all aimed at the RFL so how are they bad mouthing another club

Was Mr Wilkinson at Salford bad mouthing the RFL or the Celtic Crusaders when he complained about the ausstralian club that beat them in the NL 1 semi ?

Have you heard any more complaints from the Leigh club either about the franchise decision or the inclusion of Toulouse , if so please provide some proof of it

You seem to be getting confused between a supporter of the club and the club itself

I see you have now refrained from insulting clubs in this post unlike you did earlier

You really do need to calm down a bit , instead of all this constant arguing with anybody that you can find

It is really making you look stupid

I do see that you now concede that there may not be any tangible benifits to the existing NL clubs , which is a change from what you have been posting for quite some time

So you have changed ' tack ' on this

NL clubs fans understand completely that we are not the be all and end all of RL but why should that mean we dont want what is best for our clubs

You state that we will become nothing more than feeder clubs to SL along with the French elite , that may well be true but then in the past you have criticised NL clubs for lacking ambition , so make your mind up we either should have ambition to better ourselves and as you have stated many times we are a business in a competitive industry [ both with our fellow clubs and with SL clubs and other sports ] and therefore we are fighting for the best deal we can get or should we all meakly get shafted by all and sundry for the good of the game

You seem to be of the opinion that we should get nothing from ' central ' funds unless we are happy to oblige the RFL , well that is your opinion and you are entitled to it

We are the least important part of the sport in your opinion and would be the least missed if we were to leave the control of the RFL

That might one day happen and in my opinion it would not put us in any worse a position than we will be in the next few years

In the mean time if I think the RFL are making a mistake I will say so

So 2 clubs that applied for a franchise complained the day after the decision and have since been quietly getting ready for next season

4 Clubs that did not apply for a franchise did not complain about the decision and have ' embraced ' what since ?

A couple of days ago you stated that maybe a sponsor might have already agreed with the RFL to put more investment into a european second tier competition but in the post above you ask the question of Bowes as if it is a ludicrous idea

Make your mind up

You then post all the reasons for Toulouse to enter NL1 and the benifits they will get , you also point out that this inclusion will most likely [ if things go to plan ] only be for the next 3 seasons but you dont post one single benifit to the NL 1 clubs let alone the NL 2 clubs and yet this will take a considerable amount of money [ earned by the SL clubs and the sport at international level ] without complaint

And then you wonder why most NL fans when presented with the costs are basically unhappy with it

You really are losing the plot

because they were questioning the right of Celtic to be there, it poured scorn on the idea that it was at all possible for Celtic to be a better run club than any of these other clubs,

Leigh chief executive Allan Rowley said“May we take this opportunity to wish Salford and Celtic all the best but we also have to say we are thoroughly disgusted with the Celtic decision.[/i

if you want to pretend this isnt bad mouthing celtic carry on, but it would make you look silly

yes he was, and it made him look stupid, but Salford arent an NL1 side anymore, they arent relevent to what i said or Toulouse

Have you heard any more complaints from the Leigh club either about the franchise decision or the inclusion of Toulouse , if so please provide some proof of it



not at all, but in a few cases the attitude of some of the supporters, is led by the poor attitude of these clubs

for example your attitude seems to be very similar to those at Leighs. Here you are on a Toulouse message board questioning Toulouse' right to be here, which, like it or not is a criticism of Toulouse, which is almost identical to the attitude shown by Leigh towards celtic



not at all, I think the addition of Toulouse will see benefits for the league of NL1, and IMO the individual clubs as well, however this is superfluous to the question of whether or not they should be in NL1



it doesnt, but it means you need to understand not everything is done for these minority of clubs who bring relatively little to the table



no, i said you were already a feeder comp to the SL, and you always will be, the vast majority of the players SL want will go there, and the players not good enough for SL will filter down there, thats how a 2nd tier works,

and its completely idiotic to pretend your in competition with SL, if SL took that attitude we would see nothing but moaning about hard done to your poor little clubs were by you and your ilk. You compete with the other clubs for players, and because most of the teams in the RL pyramid are a couple of miles from each other fans as well, but the leagues arent in competition, if they were the NLs would be crushed within a year, you wouldnt be meakly shafted, you just wouldnt exist



and it is 100% correct, if your trying to 'fight for the best deal you can get' why would you expect everyone else to be 'meakly shafted' surely the SL clubs should be out for everything they can get, im sure if they put their minds to it they could get the RFL to redirect the NL funds to youth rugby or towards clubs they want in SL? Maybe the SL clubs would want Sky to screen their academy games again instead of the NLs, after all why would Superleague want to give exposure to the National Leagues if they are in competition with it?

the answer is, they understand the leagues arent in competition, and if all parts of the game work together they all will be stronger, and thats what they are doing, giving money the NL clubs need to the NL clubs, and asking they help prepare a future SL club in return (which may also raise the profile of the NLs etc)




yeah, im sure the NLs would be in exactly the same position if they lost their TV deal, Sport England/uk sport funding, RFL central funding, RFL accreditation etc,

well 2 clubs complained about the decision, sending their fans loopy and on a crusade to put down anything to do with RL outside their parish,

4 clubs said nothing other than they would look to build towards the next franchise process, their fans kept a bit quiter, and dont seem to have the same downer on everything RL,

2 clubs dont seem to have embraced the situation, and have relied on bitching and moaning, 4 clubs seem to have embraced the situation and are moving towards a happy ending

In fact you even joined in for a while , until that pedantic point about travel agents

By the way I think Toulouse will finish mid table , I hope they finish bottom

where have i said the NLs are Awful?

and Les Catalan put their team together with guaranteed admission to SL, they also had no competition and took 2 years of SL rugby to start firing properly

getting stuck right up your own asshole yet again smokey????????

Will be very difficult to beat in France so i would go with a mid table finish.

still an over aggressive widnes fan with nothing to say???????????

better to have nothing to say than spewing forth a constant stream of verbal diahorrea..............