So you are fine with Andrew Glover losing out but not Omar Kahn?

Smokey hasn't yet gotten over the demise of the Crusaders franchise. The episode still haunts him emotionally. He's still ed over Wakefield still being in Super League, hence his current pro-Bulls(hit) agenda.

You know when someone has lost the debate when they are reduced to citing poor old Smokey in support of their own failed arguments.

You know when you have lost the argument when you have no answer to what the other guy said.

Then you roll out the straw men, seek to change the argument to something else, and go [iad hominem[/i. And hope folk don't wise up to what you are doing.

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And QED.

It appears someone has swallowed a booklet on logical fallacies in an attempt to impress. Beats having to watch the Bradford Bulls I suppose. But then again, so does serially going into administration.

Frightfully good of you old boy, reinforcing my QED like that in case anyone missed it the first time round. But you really did not need to go to the trouble - your first attempt was ample demonstration.

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What a guy - prepared to selflessly dig your hole even deeper, in the interests of ensuring no-one is in any doubt about the point having been proven. I fear I may have misjudged you, in the light of these acts of self-humiliation just to help any remaining slower readers catch up.

It matters not, whether you or I are fine with it.

Glover is content not to call his loan in...yet.

Khan wants his money back now.

The end.

In my opinion the sympathy wagon has just about rolled out of town for the Bulls.

the whole sorry state of affairs has just about reached the proportions of a West End farce

What next.. A vicar cones out of the bathroom with his trousers around his ankles? Clutching his aunts inheritance and wanting to buy Khans share of the business only to find he has sold the debt to a group of cockney repo men...

Meanwhile, a fat executive and his vicious henchman is busy painting the barriers at Odsal ready fir the estate agents valuation visit... Ideal first tine buyer opportunity! Iconic and rural... With sweeping views across...

The bit I am waiting for is when all the players come on stage, hold hands and bow... Thus accepting the plaudits of a fine comedic performance...

Nice

If the admin was just away of dealing with the OK ownership as some suggest, that would imply that Bulls 2014 have the money to pay all creditors, so it begs the question as to why a 28 day licence has been granted whilst the administrator considers offers from other people.

It also raises the question as to how the bulls 2014 could be allowed to TUPE staff and players if they had not got a watertight deal done.

The reason for going into administration appears to change depending on what particular aspect of the current farce is being defended at that particular moment.......

We seem to be in that state of limbo which is between the initial indignation and anger and the eventual announcement that no points deduction is applicable.

The RFL are well aware that people are angry, they're also well aware that the longer they leave the decision the more people will have become bored and the less furore there'll be at the Bulls lack of punishment.

They think we're all thick!

Actually, it is because other parties appear to have entered the fray as potential new owners. Until who WILL own the club going forward is confirmed, the arrangements for paying the creditors can likewise not be confirmed. So, following the Wakey precedent that penalty is mitigated by creditor payment, one presumes on some sort of scale, any penalty cannot be determined.

Almost certainly, an example of the law of unexpected consequences.

And it is the Bulls, especially the team, who are suffering. Not having a clue where they stand going into the start of the season, with continuing fundamental uncertainty hanging over them.

Someone may be thick, but maybe not the RFL?

...aye, who needs to wait for facts...Burn them!!


It may not be...


Or they could just be making sure that any sanction is fair and appropiate.




must.resist.urge...

I hope the bulls get relegated!

Good point well made.

Have a biscuit.

Does he? Or is that something you just made up in your head?

I believe the precedent was set by Crusaders. Wakefield followed that.

It will be interesting seeing how the players react on Sunday. That could show the underlying feelings at the club. The longer any uncertainty lingers, the worse it will get. Are we now waiting for Lamb to make an official bid?

The problem is that ths situation is much too complicated for many of the dimwits around here, and they can't cope.

The RFL and the Bulls new management haven't forgotten that we play our first game of the season, in SL 2014, on Sunday and both would I'm damn sure like nothing more than some certainty going forward but what even the thick need to realise is this:

The administrator has onerous legal responsibilities and whatever else happens, he ain't going to potentially drop himself in potentially very deep doo doo to be subsequently taken to task for not doing his job properly/diligently and doing the best deal for creditors.

The current new owners are by definitions simply bystanders in all this. Except they have to run the club and pretend all is done and dusted even though it is seemingly far from it.

The RFL have zero power over the administrator or the due legal process. They just run a rugby league competition. In that context if a proposed new owner applies to be passed, what do you expect them to do? They have to follow their own rules and procedures too.

If you are a prospective new owner and want to make a bid, would you make a final bid before you had done as due as possible diligence, and been approved by the RFL?

Yes, it is all an unbelievable mess. But it is neither the current Bulls "owners"/management nor the Bulls fans nor the Bulls players that will be running out onto the pitch come what may on Sunday that are making it so. So having a go at any of them is both stupid and unjustified. Those of you who follow other clubs, just count yourself lucky that all this isn't hanging over your head.

That is the most sensible post on this subject so far

Fair enough.

Same point though. Can someone post up those figures for Wakefield? I specify Wakefield still, because so many of theiir guys posting on here seem to be especially-well informed in all matters relating to this subject. I would imagine they have the figures immediately to hand.

OH dear,
Any need for the last comment!

The precedent for entering Administration is a 6pt deduction, thereafter it may be reduced to a 4pt deduction if a significant amount of the debt to creditors is honoured.

Fact 1, The bulls entered Administration, therefore a 6pt deduction is applicable, there is no debate to be had and that much can and should have been announced.

We may have to wait for the new owner to pay the Bulls creditors before we can mitigate any of the deduction.