Where will you play if you dont get a licence for 2012?

To be honest I have no idea, the only thing I know is that is won't be at Belle Vue.

Whether the business plan to play at the temporary ground allows for a demotion I couldn’t say, but one would’ve thought that all possibilities have been looked into.

a wakey fan on another forum told me he expected construction of wakeys new ground to begin in february.

Salford's developers did it. They started remediation in April and the full planning application wasn't going before council until August. Although the I seem to recall that the remediation itself was subject to a seperate planning application that was passed late 2009/early 2010.

To answer a few questions raised, a reserved matters application (what people are calling a full planning permission, but that is the technically incorrect term as you either apply for Outline or Full planning permission upon first application, if granted outline, you submit a reserved matters application... it is sort of the same thing in many ways though) should be a formality and take no longer than 8 weeks (if they information is ready to go, which it is we understand). Planning applications are judged on the level of information containing within them and Yorkcourt submitted quite a lot of detail on the stadium build in the Outline. The reserved matters will deal with any conditions within the outline and then produce sufficient detail of the stadium build to satisfy the planning officers. The reserved matters application is unlikely to go before committee and just be dealt with under delegated powers by the officer, unless they substantially wish to change the outline design submitted which is doubtful.

As for starting on site, it is perfectly legal and possible (and happens very often on larger developments) to start on site with Outline planning permission because the reserved matters application only deals with the details of the application, so starting site clearance and the muck-shift is a normal state of working. They are always warned that any work under Outline only is at risk, as the reserved matters could lead to works being varied or changed, but very rarely does!

How do you think Castleford and Salford started and completed their site clearance and muck-shift works prior to 'full' planning... under an outline approval is how!

I was going to give a full answer to this but see the above posts from Iain and IA.

All I can say on the Stadium matter is that Salford, Cas and Wakey have had their chances, now it's somebody else's turn to have a crack at the top flight.

Do agree with that the official 2012 - 2015 franchise process for the RFL & Clubs started last week when Championship clubs put in applications for me that would of been the date to cut all others. So be it they may have until June but IMO if no brick is ladi by the time bids go in should be judged on current stadium full stop.

The last round LSV was built and ready to go, but because Leigh hadn't played any games there, and therefore didn't have the appropriate safety certificate, we couldn't use it as part of the bid and were judged on Hilton Park.

Not only had you not played there, at the time of the franchise assessment you didn't have a legally binding tennancy agreement with the LSV SMC therefore the only ground you could be judged on was Hilton Park.

Not the RFLs fault, look in the direction of the man who did all the moaning and complaining after the decision, Alan Rowley!

You are Richard Lewis and I claim my £5. Suppose those clubs currently building new stadiums (and nowhere near as far down the track as Leigh were at the time of the last 'round') should all be judged on their current stadiums then? Or in Saints case, no stadium at all on that basis?

I wouldn't sign an agreement for something that didn't yet have the correct approvals. But I wasn't blaming anyone, I was just saying what happened last time, and I'm sure the same will apply this time round.

Was there a SMC to deal with at the time ? , So ' Paper ' will once again suffice for some , whereas Concrete,bricks and steel wouldn't last time for others