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| Quote SBR="SBR"Just to clarify, some people really think that =redLeeds should be declared Champions because they only lost to Harlequins whilst St. Helens lost to Wakefield and Hull KR (twice)? Really? That's what makes a Champion team?'"
Really???
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| Quote Barnacle Bill="Barnacle Bill"Maybe our caps aren't as flat as we thought they were!
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Is this going to turn into a Boca/River Plate argument?
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Yes it is now called the Champions LEAGUE , but it is not a genuine League competition , It was changed for financial reasons and has devalued the winning of individual country's premier competitions'"
So it's a league but not a league, for champions who are not champions? The sport is a laughing stock!!!!!
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| Quote Richie="Richie"So it's a league but not a league, for champions who are not champions? The sport is a laughing stock!!!!!'"
No it's a cup , in a league you play everybody in it , in a cup you are drawn against some of the other clubs in it , they might call it a league , but it's not
And yes teams that are not ' champions ' play in it
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"In a league you play everybody in it.'"
Like Super League?
Quote Starbug="Starbug"And yes teams that are not ' champions ' play in it'"
What a joke! That'll never work!
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| Quote Catalancs="Catalancs"Like Super League?
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Yes , so why a play off , or are you not paying attention , as that is what this whole thread is about
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"No it's a cup , in a league you play everybody in it , in a cup you are drawn against some of the other clubs in it , they might call it a league , but it's not
And yes teams that are not ' champions ' play in it'"
So it's a cup but it's called a league? And it's called the "champions" league but you don't have to be a champion to be in it? That sport is a laughing stock.
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| Quote Richie="Richie"So it's a cup but it's called a league? And it's called the "champions" league but you don't have to be a champion to be in it? That sport is a laughing stock.'"
It certainly is
Except the actual league parts that virtually all country's have
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| Quote christopher="christopher"So what you mean is, every sport apart from Association Football (and then not all of the time) uses a playoff system?
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And what about the Football League's promotion and relegation system, where the top two teams are autmatically promoted and the next four PLAY OFF for the remaining spot ?
Meaning that a team that potentially finishes 7th could jump somone who finished 3rd ...
I don't see too many soccer fans bleating about it, apart from Phil Neal when it happend to him.
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| Quote AdmiralHanson="AdmiralHanson"And what about the Football League's promotion and relegation system, where the top two teams are autmatically promoted and the next four PLAY OFF for the remaining spot ?
Meaning that a team that potentially finishes 7th could jump somone who finished 3rd ...
I don't see too many soccer fans bleating about it, apart from Phil Neal when it happend to him.'"
Promotion and relegation, now there's an idea! 
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| Its very interesting the different mindsets.
I cant imagine wanting anything more than that one big game, that one last challenge, a chance to perform under pressure. The winner get the trophy, the loser leaves the country.
How can you not want that!
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"I said ' world class sport ' , there is only one , and in most if not all those competitions they use a league system to decide their Champions'"
what about basketball? Cricket? Ice Hockey? all have a global presence
what about football in the US? Australia? Brazil?
maybe it would be easier for you to list all the major competitions, besides top tier European Association football that use a straight league format
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