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Quote: Canoeman "Well to be honest with you I'm still trying to figure out how this weird 8's things works...I thouht I had it but maybe not. Last year in league 1 the winner got promoted along with the second place team...Okay...but in the middle 8's is it possible for all the 4 Championship teams to go up?....and just where exactly does this Million Pound Game fit in? I don't know....you are asking the wrong person about this.

As per your comments as far as I know Toronto are based in, of all places, Toronto....thats why they are called Toronto. I don't know about SL in bankruptcy but I do know Toronto played the whole first half of the season away and no one in this scenario will even come close to flying and traveling as much as Toronto....if flying is a true disadvantage and Torontos players/team fly by far the most then, logically, Toronto would be the most disadvantaged by far. Just another logistical problem Toronto will have to overcome but we will meet the challenge.'"


It is possible all four could swap but highly improbable.

My guess is that SL will miraculously increase for next year and Toronto and Leigh will both be added to the new 14 team structure.

I know where your team is based, I just don't care. You're simply yet another team like all the rest as it should be in a fairly structured league.

If you make it to the m8s, good luck, but obviously not at our expense.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Canoeman "but I do know Toronto played the whole first half of the season away and no one in this scenario will even come close to flying and traveling as much as Toronto....if flying is a true disadvantage and Torontos players/team fly by far the most then, logically, Toronto would be the most disadvantaged by far.'"

As works of absolute fiction go, that's a cracker icon_lol.gif

The vast majority of the toronto squad have been able to live at home with their mothers in the north of England, playing their away games in far flung reaches of Yorkshire. Only their away games v Toulouse and London would have involved more than an hours travel for most of them, meaning that they will have prepared and conditioned for the timezone and weather conditions.
The 10 visiting sides to Toronto, after the cost of toulouse being flown their prevented them actually making the trip, will have all rocked up into a different time zone and different weather conditions, many taking a couple of days off work to do so, to play a Toronto side, again decamped in a time zone and accustomed to the weather.
European sports leagues are a funny thing......we generally have a at home followed by a week away.....but this year, even though the school playing field was considered good enough last month, Toronto have been given another leg up on their quest to buy SL status by not being made to play in Canada one week and england the next...... Whilst Championship chairmen may have rolled over, good luck next year trying to get the fixture list skewed.....that is unless you come armed with a juicy fat TV contract d040.gif icon_lol.gif d040.gif

As for the play-offs. It should be home and away, week in week out......if the Mancunian Canucks don't like it, then why not simply take your ball Hamilton, Boston, NYC and Florida next year....but please do remember to pay all of the suppliers who are owed money first c020.gif

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Quote: Call Me God "As works of absolute fiction go, that's a cracker
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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



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Again. Another non-relevant and off-topic response designed to get a rise out of someone. I have news buddy......this is a forum to discuss RL issues. All you do is scramble around trying to look smart when you don't have an answer to a straight question. I pointed out the obvious flaw in the fixture schedule and you come back with more inane and unfunny rambling. I asked about the shirt supplier and you ramble about some imaginary issue with tax......ignoring the fact that your side are still wearing the Kit supplied but having not paid for it....you incorrectly claim that ticketing/collection/counting is the job of the local municipal council.....it isn't, but when faced with this, you ramble, babble and generally act like an idiot.....maybe you should audition for a part in the next series of Letterkenny? Whilst you're there, ask what sort of camera angle can make a 4,000 seat stand look empty whilst apparently having 3,000 people in it.......blaming Premier TV for the empty looking stadium is "trumpesque".

btw......I've only been to Leigh once, supporting my side in 2005 and it's a fair bet that I've forgotten more about expansion sides than you'll ever know.

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you really are a duck no wonder you got a ban on totalrl forums, stop being an annoying winker before you get banned from here. you are just adding to the dislike of the silly wolfpack on 'ere that's all.

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Quote: Call Me God "Again. Another non-relevant and off-topic response designed to get a rise out of someone. I have news buddy......this is a forum to discuss RL issues. All you do is scramble around trying to look smart when you don't have an answer to a straight question. I pointed out the obvious flaw in the fixture schedule and you come back with more inane and unfunny rambling. I asked about the shirt supplier and you ramble about some imaginary issue with tax......ignoring the fact that your side are still wearing the Kit supplied but having not paid for it....you incorrectly claim that ticketing/collection/counting is the job of the local municipal council.....it isn't, but when faced with this, you ramble, babble and generally act like an idiot.....maybe you should audition for a part in the next series of Letterkenny? Whilst you're there, ask what sort of camera angle can make a 4,000 seat stand look empty whilst apparently having 3,000 people in it.......blaming Premier TV for the empty looking stadium is "trumpesque".

btw......I've only been to Leigh once, supporting my side in 2005 and it's a fair bet that I've forgotten more about expansion sides than you'll ever know.'"


You honestly think I care about how many times you've been to Leigh?....you are so full of yourself you don't even understand...so distrustful.....sad.

Its hilarious...every question on rugby and the TWP you have asked has been answered truthfully but you totally are unable to comprehend that...you constantly resort to personal insult and disbelief, then you change the topic and go on some drug induced rant, like a spoiled child at the fair who gets no candy floss because he is already overweight and it would not be good for him...if you can't handle the truth then don't ask for it...
Your the kind of guy who gets out of his car to argue with the stop sign...CRAZY MAN, CRAZY!!
Get it together Man.
STOP THE HATE!

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see, he just doesn't when to stop. nobody likes you on here, bye bye

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Quote: terrykelly "you really are a duck no wonder you got a ban on totalrl forums, stop being an annoying winker before you get banned from here. you are just adding to the dislike of the silly wolfpack on 'ere that's all.'"

You are the same guy who sends me the hate filled PMs attacking TWP and then stating that you are a formal moderator of this forum (incognito under your current call sign) and then threatening me.....nice.

Hello....anybody home?????.....anyone????

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Quote: Canoeman "You are the same guy who sends me the hate filled PMs attacking TWP and then stating that you are a formal moderator of this forum (incognito under your current call sign) and then threatening me.....nice.

Hello....anybody home?????.....anyone????'"



stop being a drama queen, I did not threaten you as I am not a tough guy and I have no intention of going to toronto to try and find you. what i said was 'stop being a n*b, or you will be banned from this forum'. do you not admit you are annoying, or is it just normal to you. hate filled pm's get a grip.


p.s below is the ONLY message i have sent to canoeboy....and he know's it. (I pretended to be a mod to make him calm down, but to no avail)
"Stop being a **** on the Leigh Centurions forum. carry on, and you will get banned from the entire network.
I am a moderator under a different user name. BEHAVE YOURSELF !
You have previous on totalrl.com....stop being a D**K !"

Terry x

there you go, hopefully mods can look at messages and know that you are telling lies/being a cry baby. c020.gif

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Quote: terrykelly "stop being a drama queen, I did not threaten you as I am not a tough guy and I have no intention of going to toronto to try and find you. what i said was 'stop being a n*b, or you will be banned from this forum'. do you not admit you are annoying, or is it just normal to you. hate filled pm's get a grip.


p.s below is the ONLY message i have sent to canoeboy....and he know's it. (I pretended to be a mod to make him calm down, but to no avail)
"Stop being a **** on the Leigh Centurions forum. carry on, and you will get banned from the entire network.
I am a moderator under a different user name. BEHAVE YOURSELF !
You have previous on totalrl.com....stop being a D**K !"

Terry x

there you go, hopefully mods can look at messages and know that you are telling lies/being a cry baby.
What is that?????

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a copy of the message I sent you, and you know it.

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Quote: terrykelly "a copy of the message I sent you, and you know it.'"

Well you at least have the guts to come clean after being called out, I'll give you that...unlike some of the others.
I forgive you.

You should come to Toronto for the game....we are hoping for a large group from Leigh and you will be hosted very well....very well indeed!
These differences between the clubs are of the making of Leigh, we will try to help you guys out but I don't know if some of your people will ever be willing to let the Rowley thing go....its not healthy...time to forgive and forget.

All the best and hope you come to Toronto,
Canoeman

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Quote: Gallanteer "So Toronto get to play all their home games first without any travelling then base themselves in the UK for the rest whilst the others all have to travel across for a single match long distance in these crucial matches that could end up with an SL team on the edge of bankrupcy if they don't perform.

Do you believe this gives Toronto an advantage? League games are one thing, but when promotion and relegation are part of this, is it fair to all teams involved? This isn't an accusation, it is simply asking for your objective opinion.'"


They have been told and its widely available, by the RFL that should they reach the Middle 8's they will have to play the schedule of fixtures accordingly.

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Quote: atomic "They have been told and its widely available, by the RFL that should they reach the Middle 8's they will have to play the schedule of fixtures accordingly.'"


TBH that's all I want to hear. I personally think Toronto may get an advantage playing all home games then based in UK for all away games. I don't care where they are based, they are simply a team in a predominently UK/European league so should stick to the schedule. It's not our fault that they've based themselves in another continent. Yes we have to be mindful where possible, but not to the extent of giving them an advantage in crucial promotion and relegation games where players careers are on the line.

With us almost certainly in the m8s again (one thing we ARE consistant at), I'm betting we'll be the first ever SL team to lose away at Toronto. We're good at rubbish firsts (1st to get relegated in million pound game, 1st to get nilled by a huge margin at Wembley, 1st and only winner of challenge cup plate etc)

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Quote: atomic "They have been told and its widely available, by the RFL that should they reach the Middle 8's they will have to play the schedule of fixtures accordingly.'"

That was the deal and we should have an expectation that everyone will abide by it and not start to complain like a bunch of spoiled children (seems to be a problem in Rugby League)....if people had problems with this the time to raise any concerns was much earlier. Toronto has been very flexible here to try and make things work for everyone involved....there is a lot of logistical work that had to be done.

Including Toronto filling the till,
and footing the bill!

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