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What galls me is that a club can enter a form of insolvency, and thereby escape paying monies due to HMRC, and then be allowed to continue as if nothing had happened - when other clubs are expected to settle what they owe to HMRC. It is totally unfair on those clubs that conduct their affairs responsibly.

Most especially if the monies owed are monies that were never the club's in the first place, like PAYE and NIC deducted from employees and VAT collected from customers. Using such monies to finance your business, and then not being able to pay them over, is and always has been theft in my book.

We might as well be honest and say that "SL shall consist of such clubs as the RFL and the existing SL clubs shall determine is in what they see as the games/their best interests"

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2015 - major missed opportunity, 2016 - stronger teams = harder task (no problem there then), 2017 - OMG What now!!!:953.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "Well there is not much, as a sport we can do to keep you as a fan is there.

Whatever the RFL do they will end up alienating someone, it seems common sense to get rid of those who will only attend and support the game in a very narrow set of circumstances.'"


Its only narrow now due to my views on the way the game is run, its as simple as that. SL is now a closed shop and in effect a different sport. The RFL have alienated two thirds of its own member clubs. The structure for the passing of votes makes it pointless for Championship clubs to vote, having said that it appears that the RFL ignore the results of any votes taken and plough on regardless. Just because my opinion is different to yours does'nt make it any less important. Or have the RFL taken up the maxim, if you don't like it feck off. Due to the cock up with the last awards of franchising they thought they would be clever and introduce criteria that fitted only one club (Widnes) AND the with the most comical coverup of all time, a month before a SL clubs goes into Admin, they get the SL clubs to vote to remove the criteria of refusing a licence to any club that has been in/ or is in administration from the licensing process.

No matter how you put it it is Corruption of the most obvious kind.

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Quote: Adeybull "What galls me is that a club can enter a form of insolvency, and thereby escape paying monies due to HMRC, and then be allowed to continue as if nothing had happened - when other clubs are expected to settle what they owe to HMRC. It is totally unfair on those clubs that conduct their affairs responsibly.

Most especially if the monies owed are monies that were never the club's in the first place, like PAYE and NIC deducted from employees and VAT collected from customers. Using such monies to finance your business, and then not being able to pay them over, is and always has been theft in my book.

We might as well be honest and say that "SL shall consist of such clubs as the RFL and the existing SL clubs shall determine is in what they see as the games/their best interests"'"


Its simply 'their best interest' and b***ocks to the game

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: nottinghamtiger "Looks like the rules have already been changed to accomodate Crusaders. From Sporting Lifechange the rules that had previously disqualified any club entering administration from any subsequent application, a fate which befell Widnes in 2008."

Our sport will never, ever be taken seriously until teams are treated equally and rules are not changed in favour of certain clubs.
Not only are Crusaders given an on-field advantage with a different restriction on overseas players, they seem to have the luxury of being able to break a rule and simply then get them re-written.
I don't know why we don't just change the rules of the game to suit them - make the defending team withdraw 15 metres instead of 10, only give the opposition three tackles before the turn-over and allow them to play with 15 players?
I know it sounds stupid, but the RFL have crossed a line in re-writing rules to accomodate a failing team, who knows what will be next?'"

That isnt the bad part, SL chose to change the rules, not the RFL.

The bad part is a group of representatives of the SL clubs themselves arent confident that more than one club will enter administration because of the image rights issue (apparently)

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Quote: Adeybull "
We might as well be honest and say that "SL shall consist of such clubs as the RFL and the existing SL clubs shall determine is in what they see as the games/their best interests"'"
well yes, i cant see the logic behind doing anything else.

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Quote: DemonUK "No matter how you put it it is Corruption of the most obvious kind.'"


I wouldn't go that far. It's more incompetence than anything else. Can you imagine the facepalming going on at the RFL when it's SL member clubs stumble from one feck up to another. They had to issue warnings about stadiums and lo and behold - still a load of drawings and dirty mounds of earth. They changed the rules on admitting a club from The Championsip to an "open invite" in the hope that Toulouse might somehow be ready in time. That backfired. Their Welsh experiment enters administration twice - more facepalming and now, the removal of a pretty important safeguard regarding SL clubs entering administration being allowed to put in a franchise bid.

It's not corruption - it's incompetence. My only sympathy for the RFL lies in the probable fact that they're having to do all this to prevent BskyB from walking away. In the end their actions - no matter how "carry on -esque" they may appear to be will probably keep this funding in place for a few more years yet.

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Quote: DemonUK "Its only narrow now due to my views on the way the game is run, its as simple as that. SL is now a closed shop and in effect a different sport. '"
well exactly, you will only attend in a narrow set of circumstances, those circumstances are likely to alienate someone else.

Quote: DemonUK "The RFL have alienated two thirds of its own member clubs.'"
they have done no such thing, they have alienated at most, 22 clubs, there are 131 other clubs in RFL competitions.
Quote: DemonUK "The structure for the passing of votes makes it pointless for Championship clubs to vote, having said that it appears that the RFL ignore the results of any votes taken and plough on regardless.'"
Why should championships clubs affect how SL is run? what contribution does it make to it?
Quote: DemonUK "Just because my opinion is different to yours does'nt make it any less important. Or have the RFL taken up the maxim, if you don't like it feck off. '"
what else do you want them to do? If they run it your way they alienate someone, if they run it another way they alienate someone else. If you dont like it, but plenty do, what do you want them to do other than say tough?
Quote: DemonUK "Due to the cock up with the last awards of franchising they thought they would be clever and introduce criteria that fitted only one club (Widnes) AND the with the most comical coverup of all time, a month before a SL clubs goes into Admin, they get the SL clubs to vote to remove the criteria of refusing a licence to any club that has been in/ or is in administration from the licensing process.

No matter how you put it it is Corruption of the most obvious kind.'"
no they didnt, SL club chairmen chose to do that, not the RFL but the SL representatives.

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22/03/2013 Get LEIGH outta wigan:



Quote: Adeybull "What galls me is that a club can enter a form of insolvency, and thereby escape paying monies due to HMRC, and then be allowed to continue as if nothing had happened - when other clubs are expected to settle what they owe to HMRC. It is totally unfair on those clubs that conduct their affairs responsibly.

Most especially if the monies owed are monies that were never the club's in the first place, like PAYE and NIC deducted from employees and VAT collected from customers. Using such monies to finance your business, and then not being able to pay them over, is and always has been theft in my book.

We might as well be honest and say that "SL shall consist of such clubs as the RFL and the existing SL clubs shall determine is in what they see as the games/their best interests"'"


i wouldn't worry to much adeybull because your clubs right up there making the rules,and it always will be,as long as you dont fall out with leeds again icon_smile.gif

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Quote: j.c "i wouldn't worry to much adeybull because your clubs right up there making the rules,and it always will be,as long as you dont fall out with leeds again
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Quote: Adeybull "We might as well be honest and say that "SL shall consist of such clubs as the RFL and the existing SL clubs shall determine is in what they see as the games/their best interests"'"


That's just about what this says:-

a. Extent to which each club helps meet the SLE Strategy and the strategic aims and objectives of the Licensing process;
b. Historical activity of the clubs under consideration; and
c. RFL’s reasonable opinion as to future performance of the clubs under consideration.

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Quote: nottinghamtiger "Looks like the rules have already been changed to accomodate Crusaders. From Sporting LifeThat follows a recent meeting of Super League representatives who voted to change the rules that had previously disqualified any club entering administration from any subsequent application, a fate which befell Widnes in 2008."

Our sport will never, ever be taken seriously until teams are treated equally and rules are not changed in favour of certain clubs.
Not only are Crusaders given an on-field advantage with a different restriction on overseas players, they seem to have the luxury of being able to break a rule and simply then get them re-written.
I don't know why we don't just change the rules of the game to suit them - make the defending team withdraw 15 metres instead of 10, only give the opposition three tackles before the turn-over and allow them to play with 15 players?
I know it sounds stupid, but the RFL have crossed a line in re-writing rules to accomodate a failing team, who knows what will be next?'"


confusing isn't it?.
is it any wonder nobody knows whats going on?

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I wonder how many of the posters that are up in arms today were up in arms when a struggling expansion club was dumped on from a great height to help a heartland get out of the god awful mess they had got themselves into?
This is in no way a dig at the said heartland club BTW i'm just making the point that the RFL havent always favoured expansion over heartland and also the double standards of some posters.

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Quote: Roverswall "I wonder how many of the posters that are up in arms today were up in arms when a struggling expansion club was dumped on from a great height to help a heartland get out of the god awful mess they had got themselves into?
This is in no way a dig at the said heartland club BTW i'm just making the point that the RFL havent always favoured expansion over heartland and also the double standards of some posters.'"


Which expansion + heartland clubs was it? eusa_eh.gif

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Quote: Roofs "Which expansion + heartland clubs was it? Plus a 'my dog is bigger' arguement serves no purpose.

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22/03/2013 Get LEIGH outta wigan:



Quote: Adeybull "

well your club will always be at the top table because your one of a hand full of clubs who can command double figure crowds.
the leeds bit was a referance to the harris debacle a few years ago.
nothing sinister was ment.

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