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Pretty simple.... it's too expensive for us to play there as the rent is high and we get nothing financially out of the stadium in return. ie, no match day revenue from food/drink sales etc.

We can't afford to play there = millstone. Not really that difficult to understand is it?

And nice to see you defending the trolls on here, shows just how far this site has fallen in the past few years.

I was at the meeting last Thursday NOBODY I repeat NOBODY said the club would have to go part time, so why are you getting off on this site making sh*t up ????

There you go again Slim.

I'm not defending anyone at all, mine was a simple question that you initially failed to answer and btw not everything that you perceive to be anti Salford is trolling although you do tend to react that way. Thanks for answering my GENIUNE question again you've decided to have a go when there simply is no need.

I do know what a millstone is and googled the same definition before posting just to be sure we were going to discuss the same. My follow up question is who do you think is responsible for that millstone, is it one party in particular, or a mass conspiracy by the 'powers that be' and additionally does your club have any responsibility?

I don't feel the need to repeat myself thanks Rico. I've already mentioned earlier in this thread about why the club were forced to move from The Willows so feel free to scroll back and have a read.

PS. If a thread about Salford is started by Donny/LeBron/Jean/Poky etc I think we all know what the intended purpose is. Forgive me if I dislike trolls but I'll happily call out the lowlifes every time.

PPS. I've just re-read Donny's original post and he's quite clearly twisted a couple of the "facts" he's posted to suit his agenda. So yeah he's a sh*t-stirrer and he's got the rise he set out to get.

Fact: The club were told by Super League that in order to retain a place at the top table they would have to move from The Willows to a new ground. And as we all know those goalposts have now moved as Cas & Wakey blatantly don't meet that criteria.

IIRC, a number of potential locations within the city were identified but the only viable option was the location of the AJ Bell. I assume (unlike yourself or Donny I don't have the "facts"icon_wink.gif the land around the AJ Bell was a lot cheaper than locations like just off Oldfield Road which is prime real estate being located just outside Manchester City Centre (which is now filled by hundreds of over overpriced apartments)..

Oh and I don't think 8,000 was ever the break-even figure quoted. I'm pretty sure 6000 was quoted as break-even and that 8000 was aspirational in order to kick on to the next level.

Edit: I've just read the Twitter feed from Thursday's meeting and I see Paul King quoted 8000 but going back 10+ years I'm pretty sure I recall 6000 being mentioned as break even so I'll have to try and dig up some original quotes.

"Smaller 'dig'"? There have been far more belittling 'digs' in your previous posts which I just ignored so really not sure what I've said in my last post that could be considered a 'dig'. But hey ho.

Basically we were told that remaining at The Willows would mean no top-flight rugby as to be considered as fit for super duper league you needed a shiny new stadium. So I think it's fair to say our hands were tied. Again, I'm pretty sure the club would have loved to redevelop The Willows as a first option but there just wasn't the land there to make it feasible with requirements for parking etc. I mean we didn't even have space for proper bogs at the ground so absolutely no chance of meeting all the other requirements.

As for future ground options, I think most Salford fans would happily ground share with Swinton. A circa 8k community ground in a good location with shared facilities makes perfect sense. The issue is where? Agecroft is pretty central but not sure if there's the land available. Moor Lane (Salford City's ground) is definitely not a long term option as there's not the infrastructure there for a long-term tenancy (no parking, no training facilities etc).

I'd love a groundshare at the AJ Bell with Salford City but doubt Gary Nev & co would entertain it and they'd obviously be paying the vast majority of the costs as Sale do now. So in reality I'd expect a short-term move to Moor Lane with Salford City moving in at the AJ Bell.

Well if Salford were told The Willows didn't meet the ground criteria for licensing then I think it's fair to say that Cas & Wakey certainly didn't/still don't!

I'm sure there's someone on here who can dig out all the original requirements as I've had a quick look and can't see them anywhere online.

Personally as an away fan if you stuck all three side by side, i'd have still had the willows here, i liked the away end at salford, big steps, decent cover, the willows was pretty good if you got there early enough.

Perhaps a case of selective reading Slim, I've not tried to belittle anyone apologies if you felt that I have.

To recap, I always thought that the primary problem was location, location, location, not that you can't afford it, or you're choosey who pays the lion's share, or shortfall in rent. Maybe it's a combination of everything conspiring against you, but ultimately I do think that your club (previous regimes) had some part to play in the outcome.

The millstone isn't simply just someone else's burden passed on to you IMO (a guess not a fact)

Agree although that "away end" is mixed (I've watched non Wire games when it's been fairly well populated by Home fans) and there was seating behind IIRC, but I know what you mean.

I don't mind Cas as an equal first/close second at least the open end gives you a view and for torrential conditions you can always get under cover in the corner ...as an away ground Wakefield is definitely a hard watch open and low.