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Absolutely. Let’s stop the big teams from spending money they can afford just so Wakefield can finish 8th

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Quote: Steph Curry "Absolutely. Let’s stop the big teams from spending money they can afford just so Wakefield can finish 8th'"


You can keep going over that point all you want but lets be honest for a minute how many clubs are heavily reliant on investors to be able to spend to the cap as it currently is in this country? There are only so many Morans and Ken Davys that you will come across that will continuously pour money into the club that they love and it will not last forever.

What happens when the likes of Davy stand down? Who do you think will be there that will be happy to lose a million pound a year to watch a team play in a stadium that is at 15% capacity every week? The rise in salary cap would probably be sustainable for 50% of the teams in super league as it stands, but again that is heavily reliant on the investors at the clubs.

Our game will never be on a level with the likes of football and the level of investment and interest that clubs get in that game, I look at it like this - Toronto are a one off - If you don`t believe that, just look at the level that the Aussies have been at over the past 10 years and the size of the game and yet the once in a generation players - Thurston, Slater, Lockyer earned a fraction of what SBW has been given by Toronto. Maybe there are a few other investors in North America that want to follow suit and throw crazy money at a pet project, similar to MK with Salford.

In a few years time, if it does evolve and if there are multiple teams with the same level of investment as Toronto, I would be more than happy for my club to go there separate ways and stick to playing the likes of Salford, Leigh and KR in a different league and let the likes of Saints join them in a super duper league - I do however wonder how long it would take the likes of Wigan to join us though? They have lost around 700k a year over the last few years with things as they stand, how long can those losses be sustained?

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Quote: homme vaste "You can keep going over that point all you want but lets be honest for a minute how many clubs are heavily reliant on investors to be able to spend to the cap as it currently is in this country? There are only so many Morans and Ken Davys that you will come across that will continuously pour money into the club that they love and it will not last forever.

What happens when the likes of Davy stand down? Who do you think will be there that will be happy to lose a million pound a year to watch a team play in a stadium that is at 15% capacity every week? The rise in salary cap would probably be sustainable for 50% of the teams in super league as it stands, but again that is heavily reliant on the investors at the clubs.

Our game will never be on a level with the likes of football and the level of investment and interest that clubs get in that game, I look at it like this - Toronto are a one off - If you don`t believe that, just look at the level that the Aussies have been at over the past 10 years and the size of the game and yet the once in a generation players - Thurston, Slater, Lockyer earned a fraction of what SBW has been given by Toronto. Maybe there are a few other investors in North America that want to follow suit and throw crazy money at a pet project, similar to MK with Salford.

In a few years time, if it does evolve and if there are multiple teams with the same level of investment as Toronto, I would be more than happy for my club to go there separate ways and stick to playing the likes of Salford, Leigh and KR in a different league and let the likes of Saints join them in a super duper league - I do however wonder how long it would take the likes of Wigan to join us though? They have lost around 700k a year over the last few years with things as they stand, how long can those losses be sustained?'"


No point in banding facts about the place. Their minds are made up and wont be changed. Like a petulant toddler throwing a tantrum.

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Quote: Steph Curry "Absolutely. Let’s stop the big teams from spending money they can afford just so Wakefield can finish 8th'"

Name me the current sides of the 28 top level pro RL sides in the world who currently make a profit.
St Helens
Wigan
Warrington
Castleford
Salford
Leeds
Catalans
Wakefield
Toronto
Huddersfield
HKR
Hull FC
Melbourne
Brisbane
New Zealand
Canberra
Newcastle
North Queensland
Gold coast
South Sydney
Roosters
Tigers
Manly
St George
Penrith
Eels
Sharks
Bulldogs
................ Now to be clear here. Make a profit, not debt free.
2016 NRL rlhttps://www.sportingnews.com/au/other-sports/list/how-much-debt-is-your-nrl-club-in-parramatta-eels-sydney-roosters-canberra-raiders-penrith-panthers/126btjdgrajn812q1fohicol1nrl
2013 SL. rlhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/21211330rl

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Possibly none, but there are some outside of that list who are living within their means.

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Quote: HXSparky "Possibly none, but there are some outside of that list who are living within their means.'"


Not many of those though......

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Quote: HXSparky "Possibly none, but there are some outside of that list who are living within their means.'"

There some teams who do live within their means, but that's not what Steph Curry was implying. He reckons that the Cap is holding the game back and I pointed out that of the 28 sides in the top tiers of the 2 comps, maybe 3 or possibly 4 are breaking even or making a small profit.
SBW has been signed for an eye-watering amount. If there were 27 other club owners who can afford £2,600,000 a year on one player, then yeah, i'd be up for a bigger or no cap, but the reality is that they're predominantly making a loss under their current cap rules and there is no evidence that paying players from the same player pool more money will change that.

The NRL, who lead the game in terms of attendance and revenues have a cap that is AU $9.1 million. That's £4,800,000. SBW is on over 54% of the NRL cap for an entire squad......how many NRL clubs are demanding a raised cap?

Brian Noble likes spending other peoples money, which Brian McDermott's player development track record is nothing to shout about either, but I suspect both like to tell Mr Argyle what he likes to hear

But then again. Steph Curry is a troll who like his alter-ego's simply wants to poke fun at heartland sides and by claiming Wakefield are holding the game back, he's getting his jollies d040.gif

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How much profit do the owners of Man City make? How much profit does Robert kraft make on the patriots? How much profit does pat Riley make on Miami heat. Zilch.

Profit has nothing to do with it.

My point is, the people with money aren’t allowed to spend it because London broncos and Wakefield will get upset it’s not fair.

That is the reason our sport has gone backwards and is now an embarrassment. It’s basic business that to grow you have to spend. But it’s ok though because Wakefield didn’t get relegated so the cap is working

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Quote: Steph Curry "How much profit do the owners of Man City make? How much profit does Robert kraft make on the patriots? How much profit does pat Riley make on Miami heat. Zilch.

Profit has nothing to do with it.

My point is, the people with money aren’t allowed to spend it because London broncos and Wakefield will get upset it’s not fair.

That is the reason our sport has gone backwards and is now an embarrassment. It’s basic business that to grow you have to spend. But it’s ok though because Wakefield didn’t get relegated so the cap is working'"

icon_lol.gif so your blaming the state of the game on London and Wakefield icon_lol.gif stupid boy pike c020.gif

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The Salary Cap hinders rich clubs from spending on bigger names. Therefore the bigger names don’t come over here, the bigger names we do have leave for NRL/Union, the sponsors look at our ever decreasing quality game and don’t get on board, lack of sponsors means lack of investment, lack of investment would eventually lead to the rich clubs possibly losing their rich owners or higher incomes due to lack of interest in the game and the game will die.

Get this decades-out-of-date Salary Cap lifted, considerably!

More money means more investment, better players coming over, better players staying here, players who are playing for the top sides now would be playing lower down SL therefore the mean quality of the league will rise, better quality will see more investment, more investment will attract new investors to clubs and new sponsors to clubs and the league and to players too, better standard and more money in the game will attracts the TV companies and from then on you don’t look back.

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Quote: Steph Curry "How much profit do the owners of Man City make? How much profit does Robert kraft make on the patriots? How much profit does pat Riley make on Miami heat. Zilch.

Profit has nothing to do with it.

My point is, the people with money aren’t allowed to spend it because London broncos and Wakefield will get upset it’s not fair.

That is the reason our sport has gone backwards and is now an embarrassment. It’s basic business that to grow you have to spend. But it’s ok though because Wakefield didn’t get relegated so the cap is working'"

City are now the fifth most profitable club in world football.

https://gameofthepeople.com/2019/05/30/ ... all-clubs/

City have been self sufficient for around five years and now spend the money they make themselves rather than the owner’s money.

Sheikh Mansour will almost certainly be taking a cut of those profits.
Quote: Steph Curry "How much profit do the owners of Man City make? How much profit does Robert kraft make on the patriots? How much profit does pat Riley make on Miami heat. Zilch.

Profit has nothing to do with it.

My point is, the people with money aren’t allowed to spend it because London broncos and Wakefield will get upset it’s not fair.

That is the reason our sport has gone backwards and is now an embarrassment. It’s basic business that to grow you have to spend. But it’s ok though because Wakefield didn’t get relegated so the cap is working'"

City are now the fifth most profitable club in world football.

https://gameofthepeople.com/2019/05/30/ ... all-clubs/

City have been self sufficient for around five years and now spend the money they make themselves rather than the owner’s money.

Sheikh Mansour will almost certainly be taking a cut of those profits.


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Quote: Steph Curry "How much profit do the owners of Man City make? How much profit does Robert kraft make on the patriots? How much profit does pat Riley make on Miami heat. Zilch.

Profit has nothing to do with it.

My point is, the people with money aren’t allowed to spend it because London broncos and Wakefield will get upset it’s not fair.

That is the reason our sport has gone backwards and is now an embarrassment. It’s basic business that to grow you have to spend. But it’s ok though because Wakefield didn’t get relegated so the cap is working'"



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Quote: Steph Curry "How much profit do the owners of Man City make? How much profit does Robert kraft make on the patriots? How much profit does pat Riley make on Miami heat. Zilch.

Profit has nothing to do with it.

My point is, the people with money aren’t allowed to spend it because London broncos and Wakefield will get upset it’s not fair.

That is the reason our sport has gone backwards and is now an embarrassment. It’s basic business that to grow you have to spend. But it’s ok though because Wakefield didn’t get relegated so the cap is working'"


When did the RFL mention anything like this Lebron ? RL clubs can't be spending money they have not got, look what it did to Wigan in their most successful period in the 90's (had to sell their ground to pay off outstanding debts) despite huge crowds, and big name sponsors.

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Quote: Budgiezilla "When did the RFL mention anything like this Lebron ? RL clubs can't be spending money they have not got, look what it did to Wigan in their most successful period in the 90's (had to sell their ground to pay off outstanding debts) despite huge crowds, and big name sponsors.'"


Budge,you will have to wait a while for a reply, Capcurry will be sleeping........It's 1.41am in Cronulla. icon_cool.gif

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Quote: TheButcher "The Premier league is so far ahead of the championship because of the vast wealth inequality between the leagues. In fact, even the premier league is skewed heavily in favour of the clubs with unlimited cash. They also have the problem that only about a quarter of the teams in that league have a chance at winning the title. That's not as big a problem for them because it boosts all the clubs in the league financially. Most of the teams have no hope of competing but they have other enticements such as European football and domestic competitions. Plus they are the countries number one sport.

The trouble with certain fans with your argument is that it's elitist nonsense and a catch-22 for you. Your teams already sit at the top end of the competition, but when top clubs such as Leeds or Wigan to name a couple over recent years have struggled. It's that the competition is degrading in standards somehow. When teams that have traditionally struggled pull themselves up to be competitive and challenge the 'top' clubs, instead of seeing that as a positive thing it's somehow because the general quality is now rubbish or we can't spend more when we can.

For SL to survive and move forward the league needs to be competitive. Nobody will invest into a sport with only four or five teams battering everyone else every week. That's why we're still struggling even now. These things take time. I'd rather watch a SL that throws together more competitive matches over watching a few clubs play champagne rugby over inferior opposition. While what we have now isn't perfect, the 'lower' teams are dragging themselves up and becoming more competitive. Not every match can be a SOO banger because these things take time. The marquee signings are a perfect solution, as it stands, to attract that bit of talent that's floating around.'"


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