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Cheating is a choice not an accident !

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Quote: homme vaste "https
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What is the point? Leeds will turn over between £6 and £7 million a year......1 Play-off game will net then £300k on the gate.
The only way to stop the breaches of the Salary cap is for SL to set up their own payroll system, where the clubs declare all wages and bonus schemes at the start of the season and then lodge the correct amounts with the SL Payroll department monthly......any brown envelope payments thereafter are an instant 20 point deduction. 360-500 employees can be handled by 2 full time staff costing each of the 12 clubs 10k a year.
If not. Scrap the cap and revert to Wigan and other rich mans toys winning everything (except the WCC that is)

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So what have we learnt from this?

The live salary cap does not work.

Yet another club without any fear of real reprimanded is willing to cheat the system.

The Super League has built a rod for its own back and now its impotent when dealing with such breaches of the rules.

You can argue that in the recent past titles have been won and super league survival as been attained simply by cheating in full view of the Rugby League loving public. Can you ever get a more serious breach than that?

I really don't like the smell of it and you have to question how Leeds managed to skirt round this until the end of the 2019 season which only saw them safe in round 27.

What my chances of let's say a smaller club.. KR, Trinity, Giants, Salford (still a small club done well) being the first to be hit with a 4/6 point deduction?

We will have to wait n see.

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Said it before, there should be a tiered system for dealing with SC breaches whereby the offending club are punished based on two factors - the extent of the breach and previous offences within he last 10 years.
Breach under 25k - 2 point deduction
Breach between 25k and 50k - 4 point deduction.
Breach between 50k and 75k - 6 point deduction.
And so in in bands of 25k - each 25k costing the club 2 more competition points.

For the second offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x2.
For the third offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x3, etc etc.

Admin error or deliberate, over the cap is over the cap. It’s given the offending club an advantage over the other clubs and should inevitably come with a penalty that goes towards rectifying this - a points deduction.

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Quote: AXE2GRIND "£10k Leeds usually turnover £10m-£12m a year. But the turnover is kind of irrelevant. A 10k or small fine in the scope of £1.8m+ player wages is nowhere close to a disincentive. A points deduction does. Even just 1 point for small breaches of the cap is a bigger punishment.
If it was to be a fine then it needs to be a much much larger one. But then that could put some of our less wealthy clubs at risk.

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Quote: nottinghamtiger "Said it before, there should be a tiered system for dealing with SC breaches whereby the offending club are punished based on two factors - the extent of the breach and previous offences within he last 10 years.
Breach under 25k - 2 point deduction
Breach between 25k and 50k - 4 point deduction.
Breach between 50k and 75k - 6 point deduction.
And so in in bands of 25k - each 25k costing the club 2 more competition points.

For the second offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x2.
For the third offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x3, etc etc.

Admin error or deliberate, over the cap is over the cap. It’s given the offending club an advantage over the other clubs and should inevitably come with a penalty that goes towards rectifying this - a points deduction.'"


Totally agree. This would be a great idea. I should also add that , the sc should be raised to at least £2.5m and get rid of this stupid marquee crap.

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Quote: nottinghamtiger "Said it before, there should be a tiered system for dealing with SC breaches whereby the offending club are punished based on two factors - the extent of the breach and previous offences within he last 10 years.
Breach under 25k - 2 point deduction
Breach between 25k and 50k - 4 point deduction.
Breach between 50k and 75k - 6 point deduction.
And so in in bands of 25k - each 25k costing the club 2 more competition points.

For the second offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x2.
For the third offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x3, etc etc.

Admin error or deliberate, over the cap is over the cap. It’s given the offending club an advantage over the other clubs and should inevitably come with a penalty that goes towards rectifying this - a points deduction.'"


Seems fair to me!

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Quote: rollin thunder "So you think Wigan going out and signing the then considered best forward in the world is the equivalent of Leeds giving a full time deal to Luke Briscoe. And that saved Leeds from relegation. Wow bitter or what.'"


I work with one! They've never got over '68!

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The problem is accountability. The two people who have declared the ‘oversight’ should be sanctioned for misconduct and/or mismanagement. We hold players, coaches and referees to standard and sanction them for failing to adhere to basic principles, CEO’s/Finance Directors etc should be also. It’s financial mismanagement at best, which is evidence of not having the appropriate skills or experience to do the job. If it’s not mismanagement, it’s deliberate misconduct, which is a breach of trust.


The cap doesn’t work because it’s not policed. Nobody cares these days. Fans are up oh arms, but realistically, £10k is the difference between promoting a kid to the first team or not. It has zero impact on the top 25 players, coaches and staff.

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Quote: ryano "I work with one! They've never got over '68!'"


I know that it's difficult sometimes but, do try and keep up c020.gif

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Quote: ryano "Seems fair to me!'"

There already is a tiered system and all the clubs agreed to it being implemented, that why Leeds infringment resulted in a fine. You may not like it, but the super league clubs who know more about the complexity of the cap all think thats a fair outcome for a minor first time infringement.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Don't bring Wire into this....stick to all the cheats.'"

Who else as broken the salary cap...

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Quote: Barbed Wire "The problem is accountability. The two people who have declared the ‘oversight’ should be sanctioned for misconduct and/or mismanagement.'"


Who should issue that sanction?

Certified accountants have a professional body to oversee their compliance with appropriate financial conduct rules and regulations - although as an aside, that never seems to stop PWC, E&Y, DeLoitte etc producing shonky accounts that say whatever you need them to, providing you have enough cash to pay for their silence; nonetheless, the RFL would not be in a position to sanction an accountant or FD or whomever was 'responsible' for inputting the numbers. It would be wildly unfair and totally inappropriate.

The sanction must be on the club - and where it hurts - right in the SL points; a 10k fine for multiple breaches of the cap is a joke - and is no disincentive whatsoever. One could even argue that if your club had a chance to secure SL status by breaching the cap at risk of only a 10k fine, and they didn't do so, the CEO would be guilty of dereliction of duty.

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RU seem to have a better system. Saracens have just been fined £5.3 mill and docked 35 points.

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Quote: rugbyreddog "RU seem to have a better system. Saracens have just been fined £5.3 mill and docked 35 points.'"


And points deduction can only be applied in the current season

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