Yes, cos that was the criteria set out by super league, hence we go promoted. Its not that hard to fugure out really.

The parallels with the truly gut-wrenching times in the past years of following Bradford are clear. It's the fans putting their hands in their pocket to try and rectify the mess they didn't cause which I find upsetting for any club that goes through it. It's also something people need to think about when they freely use the abstract "they deserve it" line for any club docked points or are going through the mire. I know for a fact not a single person who posts on here deserves that kind of thing for spending their time and money following the clubs they love and we'd do well to remember it.

We are too tiny a sport to embrace the same parochialism as football. I lament any and every club going through bad times. As a Bradford fan, do I have a sort of primal pleasure from seeing Fax, Giants and Leeds lose, well yeah I'm not a weirdo. But do I want the club and the fans to actually suffer absolutely not. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I have a naive liberal snowflake wish that we'd look out for one another in our tidgy little sport,and we'd be stronger for it. But it doesn't happen.

"I have a naive liberal snowflake wish that we'd look out for one another in ousr tidgy little sport,and we'd be stronger for it. But it doesn't happen."

Which is why the game below SL is stuck in the 70's. Widnes, Bradford the game qouldn't miss them in the [imodern[/i era.

And here I was thinking the Championship is now a fascinating competition featuring clubs from around the globe. I didn't pick up on the 1970s 'another bloody sunday' vibe before. Come to think of it, I'm sure I saw the Bradford lads smoking during the game yesterday. They definitely had a few pints of bitter at half time and the collars were HUGE.

I can't be faffed having the "would SL be stronger with Bradford in it" discussion again. I have an obvious opinion on that and it's probably shared by as many people as not.

Obviously, your business model wasn't very good then.

So where are these extra half a dozen or so teams going to come from in the long, nevermind short, term to give 14-16 teams who will be able to survive with 10,000 crowds and/or a sugar daddy ?

I'm in talks with Walter Mitty's estate about the LA Unicorns, the junior team are to be called the Leprechauns, then we have the possibility of Ankara Anchors, it's a brave new world...

I'd have the current 12 toronto and toulouse..... Possibly 2 more from the championship...... Beaumont would bankroll leigh with the assurance of top flight survival..... Widnes were successful under licencing.
The NRL, AFL, NFL, NHL, NBL...... All successful without P&R.... Weve had 100 years of jeapordy and were still tiny.........we need a top tier with strong teams and a minimum spend on marketing...... If peoe see full stadiums they want to be part of it....

I agree with what you say why they the RFL and super league can not see it it is bloody stupid to carry on the way we are

I’ve always been in favour of P&R but the problem is when a team gets relegated nowadays if they don’t come back up straight away they go bust or have to go back part time I think we could easily accommodate a 16 team league just add Toulouse Toronto Leigh and Bradford and you have Halifax and Fev waiting in the wings in case things don’t work out for any of teams

When we say that P&R is ingrained in our sporting culture, it is worth remembering that we had no promotion and relegation between 1905 and 1962 or 1964 to 1973, when we had a single league. As well as more recently, when there was none to and from SL from 1998 to 2000, and from 2009 to 2014, when there were other divisions. I’m not saying those are models we should look to recreate, but it isn’t the case that P&R has always been part and parcel of pro RL in this country.

I think P&R has only recently started being used in domestic first class Cricket, though it’s not a sport I follow closely.

I've said elsewhere, 2 conferences of 8 sides, with 14 Home and Away games v your fellow conference sides and 8 (4H/4A) games against the others.....that's 11 home games.
Then, top 4 sides of each division play each other once (4H/4A) as do the bottom sides....another 4 Home games.....15.
Then, in the top division a straight 1st v 8th, 2nd v 7th scenario........better teams rewarded with extra home games........
At the end of the lower 8 comp, If there's an applicant for a Licence that has been approved (diligence, but not in the Bradford sense), then the bottom side plays them home and Away with an aggregate winner staying up.

15 home games.....and no bloody loop fixtures.....

St Helens,
Warrington
Salford,
Leigh,
London
Toronto
Catalans
Castleford
Leeds
Bradford
FC
HKR
Wakefield
Huddersfield
Toulouse
Featherstone/Halifax

Let's not forget York who are 4th in the Championship. I'm absolutely chuffed for them and how well they're doing. It suggests we might have another top flight city team in the making.

Interesting, no Wigan?