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Quote: Angelus "Find me that quote and i'll agree with you.

Also, that doesn't change my post.

P.s, guess what Kevin Locke, Tim Smith, and Scott Moore all have in common?'"


They were all dismissed by their club for their shambolic, disgraceful behaviour?

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Quote: tugglesf78 "The VT is absolutely brilliant.

Tiptoed on here as a Wigan fan and saw this thread.

Read the opening gambit and to be honest think there is some truth (only some) in the OP

However the best bit is that even when there is an opportunity for the collective masses to unite and claim the high moral ground against the dastardly wwrlfc...

You instead turn on each other and engage a full out human vs troll debate against Wakeys stadium Agree with your post, and there is some truth in the OP, even though the charge of bringing the game into disrepute would never stick.
Obviously, there are issues at Wigan with what has happened recently, and one can only guess at what is the root cause. I wonder if Wane knew what was going on under the surface, and decided he was better off out of it, or whether Lenegan wanted to replace him with someone who could control the off field discipline of the squad and individuals? Either way, Lenegan has set a precedent of helping and rehabilitating in the case of Hardaker, rather than the policy of cross the line and you're out. It'll be interesting to see how Mullen and Hamblin are dealt with. These are difficult times for Wigan and the other clubs who have their issues too. It doesn't help when individuals make poor lifestyle choices, when our clubs and the RFL need to sell and improve our sport.

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Quote: Cats13 "They were all dismissed by their club for their shambolic, disgraceful behaviour?'"

Indeed. For arguably worse than the Wigan players, especially in Scott Moore's case. And they all played for Wakefield at the time. However I dont blame Wakefield for that. I blame the individual.

And if the response is "at least the club did the right thing and sacked them" then, as stated, the wakefield players indiscretions were worse, and we dont yet know what action will be taken against the Wigan players. Let's see how it plays out before we condemn a club is all I'm asking.

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These type of things could happen to any player at any club, and plenty of clubs have had similar issues, the clubs cannot be over responsible for players being idiots.

However the irony that Leneghan slated other clubs for not doing enough for looking after poor little Zac Hardaker and then after defending him he goes on a drunken car rampage, add the two recent stories and the Tomkins brothers misdemeanors, well if makes him and the club look very foolish, and does give the impression there is a rotten culture at the club or at best some bad apples. If i where them i would resort to a zero tolerance policy and get the rotten culture out of the club and the game.

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Quote: Angelus "Indeed. For arguably worse than the Wigan players, especially in Scott Moore's case. And they all played for Wakefield at the time. However I dont blame Wakefield for that. I blame the individual.

And if the response is "at least the club did the right thing and sacked them" then, as stated, the wakefield players indiscretions were worse, and we dont yet know what action will be taken against the Wigan players. Let's see how it plays out before we condemn a club is all I'm asking.'"


Where does getting drunk then glassing a team mate fall into the scale of things? icon_rolleyes.gif

As you say, lets wait and see. Wigan don't have a track record of "doing the right thing" as you put it.

But then you could go back and look at most clubs not doing so in various scenarios. Its a sport wide culture that should be controlled similar to the NRL. The problem over here is that once the ethics team have dealt with everything, there wouldn't be a big enough player pool icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Cats13 "Where does getting drunk then glassing a team mate fall into the scale of things?
I'd forgotten about that TBH. You'd have to ask Leon Pryce about glassing people icon_biggrin.gif But that just goes to emphasise your point. If English RL was under the same scrutiny as the NRL we wouldn't have any players. Lets face it, the sport isnt exactly played by intellectuals, things like this are going to happen unless the whole sport takes it seriously. Which im all for by the way, but it would have to be set up properly at the start of a season, not just a kneejerk to yet another player being stupid. More of a "these are the standards the sport expects you to uphold and these are the punishments." As with the salary cap, theres no set punishment by the sport, which is why each club is allowed to treat each incident as they wish. went on a tangent there. I dont have many RL friends to discuss these things with, so when i get going i ramble

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: ThePrinter "I get the point that it’s all down to the individuals but at the same time they’ve had 4 ‘incidents’ now in the last 9 months or so dating back to the Tomkins incident so I think some questioning of the club as a whole is fair - not the OTT they should be charged that the OP suggested, but certainly questions asked that goes beyond it’s just the individuals.'"


I'd tend to agree. If this were happening at the club I support, I'd be having serious concerns at the level of leadership within the club.

Yes, the club can't molly-coddle the players 24/7 and they have to be treated like adults (with all the responsibilities that come with that), but the leadership of the club can set standards of behaviour and reinforce those rights and responsibilities that come with being a professional athlete. If it's an education issue, the clubs need to lead on that. If it's a discipline issue, the clubs need to lead on that as well.

This is, after all, in their business interests. It is part of the image that they project to supporters and sponsors. What sort of brand wants to be associated with a sport where the "stars" (that we're so desperate to create) believe that drink driving and substance abuse is acceptable?

I can't help but feel that the press statements that come from Lenagan and Radlinski is somewhat at odds with the type of leadership that they're actually practising at the club.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "I'd tend to agree. If this were happening at the club I support, I'd be having serious concerns at the level of leadership within the club.

Yes, the club can't molly-coddle the players 24/7 and they have to be treated like adults (with all the responsibilities that come with that), but the leadership of the club can set standards of behaviour and reinforce those rights and responsibilities that come with being a professional athlete. If it's an education issue, the clubs need to lead on that. If it's a discipline issue, the clubs need to lead on that as well.

This is, after all, in their business interests. It is part of the image that they project to supporters and sponsors. What sort of brand wants to be associated with a sport where the "stars" (that we're so desperate to create) believe that drink driving and substance abuse is acceptable?

I can't help but feel that the press statements that come from Lenagan and Radlinski is somewhat at odds with the type of leadership that they're actually practising at the club.'"



Absolutely spot on.

There should be something in the contracts of professional sportsmen (and women) to cover behaviour and maintaining the clubs image etc, etc and equally there will be levels of internal discipline to cover these breeches.
As you rightly say, it comes down to leadership and from the players point of view, respect for the club and their team mates.

It may sound simple but, these guys are in a position that many can only dream of but, sadly, just as in football, they take their position for granted.

Also, looking at the bigger picture, what effect do the constant indiscretions by players (not just from Wigan), have on sponsors / investors.
Just how many businesses want to be associated with a sport which is so "troubled".

The only time that RL has made the national press in recent months is when players have mis-behaved and although it may seem a bit holier than thou, the whole sport needs to be better and certainly, Wigan, who are one of and maybe THE biggest name in the sport should be setting the bar just as high as possible, not trying to keep it in the gutter.
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Thought Phil Clarke spoke a lot of sense just then (first time for everything I know). But we do have to look at if we are being too soft towards players who misbehave. It is a fine balancing act because you don’t want to go too far the other way and offer absolute zero support to any offenders but you can’t let players think they’ll get chance after chance. Has Leneghan’s defence of Hardaker post signing him and then again post drink drive incident set a culture at Wigan where other players see it and think they get a couple of strikes.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Thought Phil Clarke spoke a lot of sense just then (first time for everything I know). But we do have to look at if we are being too soft towards players who misbehave. It is a fine balancing act because you don’t want to go too far the other way and offer absolute zero support to any offenders but you can’t let players think they’ll get chance after chance. Has Leneghan’s defence of Hardaker post signing him and then again post drink drive incident set a culture at Wigan where other players see it and think they get a couple of strikes.'"


If I did half the stuff these idiots do there is no way I would be “supported”. I would be sacked for gross misconduct in a heart beat

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