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| Quote: Call Me God "The Broncos Supporters group (both of them) arranged a coach to Salford, leaving Trailfinders at 8.30am.......once the occupants were safely returned to Ealing at about 10pm, there would then be a fair amount of "onward" travel, as I doubt many hail from Ealing......so midnight would be a fair assessment.
I arranged trips to wakey and wales back in the quins days.....getting back to the stoop at 9 was still 3 hours away from home for a great many fans.....and remember, London's core faithful do this every second week......'"
To follow London home and away is a fair effort and becomes akin to the most dedicated soccer fans, who make a day of it, whether the game is at the weekend or midweek evening kick off.
It's a world away from the "traditional" RL fan who can (or at least could) get to home and away games, within a couple of hours in each direction and usually be back in their local for last orders and this is a tricky part of spreading the game.
Fans that are used to travelling home and away can no longer easily do this and to any fans of the overseas expansion clubs, it's never going to be a realistic option.
We've all read your signature and whilst clubs shouldn't rely on away fans to boost their gates, the type of fans that are now "wanted" by the sport are no longer the week in week out dyed in the wool fans, who follow their side everywhere. "We" would now prefer the type of fans that cherry pick their games but have loadsamoney and would rather take on full hospitality etc, etc. Unfortunately, there just aren't the numbers of fans that can/want to do this and all the time, the "traditional" fans are being sidelined.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "To follow London home and away is a fair effort and becomes akin to the most dedicated soccer fans, who make a day of it, whether the game is at the weekend or midweek evening kick off.
It's a world away from the "traditional" RL fan who can (or at least could) get to home and away games, within a couple of hours in each direction and usually be back in their local for last orders and this is a tricky part of spreading the game.
Fans that are used to travelling home and away can no longer easily do this and to any fans of the overseas expansion clubs, it's never going to be a realistic option.
We've all read your signature and whilst clubs shouldn't rely on away fans to boost their gates, the type of fans that are now "wanted" by the sport are no longer the week in week out dyed in the wool fans, who follow their side everywhere. "We" would now prefer the type of fans that cherry pick their games but have loadsamoney and would rather take on full hospitality etc, etc. Unfortunately, there just aren't the numbers of fans that can/want to do this and all the time, the "traditional" fans are being sidelined.'"
To be fair to London, if they're averaging say 1000 home fans per match then taking 10% of their fans to Salford last week was a pretty decent effort. I'm a season ticket holder at Salford City FC (yes, the plastic club before anyone points it out... ) and for long distance trips (London & further south) we've been averaging around 100-150 and that's based on an average of around 2500 home fans. For "derbies" like Fylde, Halifax & Wrexham we took around 400-450. Those coaches are heavily subsidised by the club though and even for the longest trips we only have to fork out £15 (Dover is near on 600 mile round trip).
For Salford Rugby, we took in the region of 1500 to Huddersfield for the first game on a Friday night. Bearing in mind we have a core support of maybe 3000 that either means we have a lot of hard-core fans or we have a lot of people that will turn up for a few beers and a trip out 4 or 5 times a season when it's a local derby! I'd imagine for Wigan and Wire away we'll take 1000 or so which based on % of fans that's pretty decent effort. Will Wigan and Leeds be bringing a third of their average home gate (4k or so) to the AJ Bell?
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| Quote: Fully "If you want crowds to be better, how about not bleeding playing games on Thurs and Fri nights across the M62? But we won't do that because it's about making it inconvenient as possible so that fans watch on TV instead of getting off their backsides and going to games, therefore swelling the TV viewing figures so it looks great when it comes to renewal time.
If the RFL and SL really wanted the best of both worlds they'd make it so there would be 1 TV Game on Thurs/Fri or Fri/Sat and the rest played on Sunday. Maximum TV viewing, and other games on a weekend when most people are free and can make longer journeys.'"
Bingo! competing against ourselves.
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| Quote: onlyanorthernsoul "Interesting article written recently, very poignant, for all RL. Paul McNally spent 15 seasons in the backroom at Salford Red Devils, heres what he as to say
Very interesting article.
I wish he'd given his solution though, it was just missing the EastEnders dum, dums at the end.
There is no doubt that trying to increase attendances is a very hard slog and the only "quick" way of doing something is to have some on field success.
It's no coincidence that those clubs that have won most in recent years have the best attendances, although KR did exceptionally well with numbers when they dropped to the Championship and in spite of their empty trophy cabinet, continue to get plenty through the turnstiles.
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| I still think that Salford is in a very difficult situation.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I still think that Salford is in a very difficult situation.'" so do I but you seem to gloat on situations like this
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| Im surprised he put it so mildly.
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| Quote: SaleSlim "To be fair to London, if they're averaging say 1000 home fans per match then taking 10% of their fans to Salford last week was a pretty decent effort. I'm a season ticket holder at Salford City FC (yes, the plastic club before anyone points it out...
1500 to Huddersfield ha ha ha.
Keep off those dodgy tablets sunshine.
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| Quote: snowie "so do I but you seem to gloat on situations like this
I am not gloating. I am just stating a fact.
It is very sad. The club has a relatively new stadium. It is near a major city. If it was in healthy condition it should be drawing at least 7-8,000 per game and thereby at least breaking even.
Catalans Dragon by contrast, in a much smaller urban environment, regularly draws 8-9,000 fans to home games. Catalans in its pre-professional existence, before Super League, drew 1,000-1,500 per game. Toulouse now draws 1,500 French fans, plus visiting fans, and could be expected to emulate Catalans Super League attendances if it was promoted to Super League. Salford is also dwarfed in its fan base by the highly successful nearby clubs at Wigan, St. Helens and Warrington.
What this suggests is that Salford, despite over a century in existence, has lost its loyal fan base of years gone by and is destined to collapse for lack of financial viability.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I am not gloating. I am just stating a fact.
It is very sad. The club has a relatively new stadium. It is near a major city. If it was in healthy condition it should be drawing at least 7-8,000 per game and thereby at least breaking even.
Catalans Dragon by contrast, in a much smaller urban environment, regularly draws 8-9,000 fans to home games. Catalans in its pre-professional existence, before Super League, drew 1,000-1,500 per game. Toulouse now draws 1,500 French fans, plus visiting fans, and could be expected to emulate Catalans Super League attendances if it was promoted to Super League. Salford is also dwarfed in its fan base by the highly successful nearby clubs at Wigan, St. Helens and Warrington.
What this suggests is that Salford, despite over a century in existence, has lost its loyal fan base of years gone by and is destined to collapse for lack of financial viability.'"
You assume a lot here Bazza.
Firstly, Catalans draw their home fans from an extensive region and a certain number would follow toulouse if they were in SL, thus diluting the catalan crowds.
Secondly, Catalans are the only game in town, given the crapness of the local union side of late.......a resurgence of the union lot would again impact on Catalans crowd.
Then there is the impact of the Challenge cup victory........pretty much SFA in terms of a long term boost, the same as London and Sheffield getting to the CC Final......
Then in terms of Salford. Arguably 2 of the top 10 soccer sides in the country play on their manor.....they do struggle and you trolling does have a valid point, but given the region of France where your 2 darlings play is full of in-bred french farmers who acceded to the nazis in return for a free ride in 1940, I'd steer clear of slagging off english sides whilst alluding to them being replaced by either a french side who have been beaten twice already this year, or another side from Manchester who ply some of their home games in Canada.....
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| Quote: JonnoTheGreat "1500 to Huddersfield ha ha ha.
Keep off those dodgy tablets sunshine.'"
Pretty sure that was what the Huddersfield tannoy guy announced at the game but struggling to find any clarification online. Maybe a Hudds fan reading this can confirm how many there were?
Thanks for your input tho "sunshine"
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I am not gloating. I am just stating a fact.
It is very sad. The club has a relatively new stadium. It is near a major city. If it was in healthy condition it should be drawing at least 7-8,000 per game and thereby at least breaking even.
Catalans Dragon by contrast, in a much smaller urban environment, regularly draws 8-9,000 fans to home games. Catalans in its pre-professional existence, before Super League, drew 1,000-1,500 per game. Toulouse now draws 1,500 French fans, plus visiting fans, and could be expected to emulate Catalans Super League attendances if it was promoted to Super League. Salford is also dwarfed in its fan base by the highly successful nearby clubs at Wigan, St. Helens and Warrington.
What this suggests is that Salford, despite over a century in existence, has lost its loyal fan base of years gone by and is destined to collapse for lack of financial viability.'"
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Quote: SaleSlim "Pretty sure that was what the Huddersfield tannoy guy announced at the game but struggling to find any clarification online. Maybe a Hudds fan reading this can confirm how many there were?
Thanks for your input tho "sunshine"
https://www.salfordreddevils.net/ian-bl ... s-support/
My bad. Thought I heard them announce 1500 but was just over 1200 apparently.
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Quote: SaleSlim "Pretty sure that was what the Huddersfield tannoy guy announced at the game but struggling to find any clarification online. Maybe a Hudds fan reading this can confirm how many there were?
Thanks for your input tho "sunshine"
https://www.salfordreddevils.net/ian-bl ... s-support/
My bad. Thought I heard them announce 1500 but was just over 1200 apparently.
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