FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Salford's tiny fan base: how can the club survive?
98 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
International Star17980
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
simpsons/simp006.gif
:simpsons/simp006.gif



Quote: Call Me God "The Broncos Supporters group (both of them) arranged a coach to Salford, leaving Trailfinders at 8.30am.......once the occupants were safely returned to Ealing at about 10pm, there would then be a fair amount of "onward" travel, as I doubt many hail from Ealing......so midnight would be a fair assessment.
I arranged trips to wakey and wales back in the quins days.....getting back to the stoop at 9 was still 3 hours away from home for a great many fans.....and remember, London's core faithful do this every second week......'"


To follow London home and away is a fair effort and becomes akin to the most dedicated soccer fans, who make a day of it, whether the game is at the weekend or midweek evening kick off.
It's a world away from the "traditional" RL fan who can (or at least could) get to home and away games, within a couple of hours in each direction and usually be back in their local for last orders and this is a tricky part of spreading the game.
Fans that are used to travelling home and away can no longer easily do this and to any fans of the overseas expansion clubs, it's never going to be a realistic option.
We've all read your signature and whilst clubs shouldn't rely on away fans to boost their gates, the type of fans that are now "wanted" by the sport are no longer the week in week out dyed in the wool fans, who follow their side everywhere. "We" would now prefer the type of fans that cherry pick their games but have loadsamoney and would rather take on full hospitality etc, etc. Unfortunately, there just aren't the numbers of fans that can/want to do this and all the time, the "traditional" fans are being sidelined.

RankPostsTeam
International Star1623No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2024Apr 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
54309_1552130516.jpg
quote="Ruune Rebellion"]No. That’s what you said you idiot which is why you are sexiest lol. Give up you sexiest Imbecile[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54309.jpg



Quote: wrencat1873 "To follow London home and away is a fair effort and becomes akin to the most dedicated soccer fans, who make a day of it, whether the game is at the weekend or midweek evening kick off.
It's a world away from the "traditional" RL fan who can (or at least could) get to home and away games, within a couple of hours in each direction and usually be back in their local for last orders and this is a tricky part of spreading the game.
Fans that are used to travelling home and away can no longer easily do this and to any fans of the overseas expansion clubs, it's never going to be a realistic option.
We've all read your signature and whilst clubs shouldn't rely on away fans to boost their gates, the type of fans that are now "wanted" by the sport are no longer the week in week out dyed in the wool fans, who follow their side everywhere. "We" would now prefer the type of fans that cherry pick their games but have loadsamoney and would rather take on full hospitality etc, etc. Unfortunately, there just aren't the numbers of fans that can/want to do this and all the time, the "traditional" fans are being sidelined.'"


To be fair to London, if they're averaging say 1000 home fans per match then taking 10% of their fans to Salford last week was a pretty decent effort. I'm a season ticket holder at Salford City FC (yes, the plastic club before anyone points it out... icon_biggrin.gif ) and for long distance trips (London & further south) we've been averaging around 100-150 and that's based on an average of around 2500 home fans. For "derbies" like Fylde, Halifax & Wrexham we took around 400-450. Those coaches are heavily subsidised by the club though and even for the longest trips we only have to fork out £15 (Dover is near on 600 mile round trip).

For Salford Rugby, we took in the region of 1500 to Huddersfield for the first game on a Friday night. Bearing in mind we have a core support of maybe 3000 that either means we have a lot of hard-core fans or we have a lot of people that will turn up for a few beers and a trip out 4 or 5 times a season when it's a local derby! I'd imagine for Wigan and Wire away we'll take 1000 or so which based on % of fans that's pretty decent effort. Will Wigan and Leeds be bringing a third of their average home gate (4k or so) to the AJ Bell?

RankPostsTeam
International Star478
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2020Sep 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
57882_1342598371.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_57882.jpg



Quote: Fully "If you want crowds to be better, how about not bleeding playing games on Thurs and Fri nights across the M62? But we won't do that because it's about making it inconvenient as possible so that fans watch on TV instead of getting off their backsides and going to games, therefore swelling the TV viewing figures so it looks great when it comes to renewal time.

If the RFL and SL really wanted the best of both worlds they'd make it so there would be 1 TV Game on Thurs/Fri or Fri/Sat and the rest played on Sunday. Maximum TV viewing, and other games on a weekend when most people are free and can make longer journeys.'"


Bingo! competing against ourselves.

RankPostsTeam
International Star478
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2020Sep 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
57882_1342598371.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_57882.jpg



Interesting article written recently, very poignant, for all RL. Paul McNally spent 15 seasons in the backroom at Salford Red Devils, heres what he as to say

https://medium.com/@iampaulmcnally/the- ... 39618d801f
Interesting article written recently, very poignant, for all RL. Paul McNally spent 15 seasons in the backroom at Salford Red Devils, heres what he as to say

https://medium.com/@iampaulmcnally/the- ... 39618d801f


RankPostsTeam
International Star17980
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
simpsons/simp006.gif
:simpsons/simp006.gif



RankPostsTeam
International Chairman1470
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 1970Jun 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: onlyanorthernsoul "Interesting article written recently, very poignant, for all RL. Paul McNally spent 15 seasons in the backroom at Salford Red Devils, heres what he as to say

icon_rolleyes.gif I'd say we know all what he's written we all ready have an idea about anyway

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach6809
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2023Jan 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
18302_1567366773.png
[b:1crbsr9w] Toulouse for Championship in 2017, Super League in 2021! Avignon for Championship in 2021, Super League in 2022! [/b:1crbsr9w]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_18302.png



I still think that Salford is in a very difficult situation.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman1470
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 1970Jun 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I still think that Salford is in a very difficult situation.'"
so do I but you seem to gloat on situations like this icon_rolleyes.gif

RankPostsTeam
International Star1982
JoinedServiceReputation
May 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
59837_1508749784.jpg
Irony is represented below. [quote="JEAN CAPDOUZE":162hm7sy]He is not telling the truth. He is talking paranoid rubbish.[/quote:162hm7sy]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_59837.jpg



Im surprised he put it so mildly.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain366No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 20178 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2020May 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

"It's the refs fault again". Biggest moaning whingers in RL.:



Quote: SaleSlim "To be fair to London, if they're averaging say 1000 home fans per match then taking 10% of their fans to Salford last week was a pretty decent effort. I'm a season ticket holder at Salford City FC (yes, the plastic club before anyone points it out...
1500 to Huddersfield ha ha ha.

Keep off those dodgy tablets sunshine.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach6809
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2023Jan 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
18302_1567366773.png
[b:1crbsr9w] Toulouse for Championship in 2017, Super League in 2021! Avignon for Championship in 2021, Super League in 2022! [/b:1crbsr9w]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_18302.png



Quote: snowie "so do I but you seem to gloat on situations like this
I am not gloating. I am just stating a fact.

It is very sad. The club has a relatively new stadium. It is near a major city. If it was in healthy condition it should be drawing at least 7-8,000 per game and thereby at least breaking even.

Catalans Dragon by contrast, in a much smaller urban environment, regularly draws 8-9,000 fans to home games. Catalans in its pre-professional existence, before Super League, drew 1,000-1,500 per game. Toulouse now draws 1,500 French fans, plus visiting fans, and could be expected to emulate Catalans Super League attendances if it was promoted to Super League. Salford is also dwarfed in its fan base by the highly successful nearby clubs at Wigan, St. Helens and Warrington.

What this suggests is that Salford, despite over a century in existence, has lost its loyal fan base of years gone by and is destined to collapse for lack of financial viability.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2921
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 20177 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2019Sep 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
76030_1540929970.jpg
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I am not gloating. I am just stating a fact.

It is very sad. The club has a relatively new stadium. It is near a major city. If it was in healthy condition it should be drawing at least 7-8,000 per game and thereby at least breaking even.

Catalans Dragon by contrast, in a much smaller urban environment, regularly draws 8-9,000 fans to home games. Catalans in its pre-professional existence, before Super League, drew 1,000-1,500 per game. Toulouse now draws 1,500 French fans, plus visiting fans, and could be expected to emulate Catalans Super League attendances if it was promoted to Super League. Salford is also dwarfed in its fan base by the highly successful nearby clubs at Wigan, St. Helens and Warrington.

What this suggests is that Salford, despite over a century in existence, has lost its loyal fan base of years gone by and is destined to collapse for lack of financial viability.'"

You assume a lot here Bazza.
Firstly, Catalans draw their home fans from an extensive region and a certain number would follow toulouse if they were in SL, thus diluting the catalan crowds.
Secondly, Catalans are the only game in town, given the crapness of the local union side of late.......a resurgence of the union lot would again impact on Catalans crowd.
Then there is the impact of the Challenge cup victory........pretty much SFA in terms of a long term boost, the same as London and Sheffield getting to the CC Final......
Then in terms of Salford. Arguably 2 of the top 10 soccer sides in the country play on their manor.....they do struggle and you trolling does have a valid point, but given the region of France where your 2 darlings play is full of in-bred french farmers who acceded to the nazis in return for a free ride in 1940, I'd steer clear of slagging off english sides whilst alluding to them being replaced by either a french side who have been beaten twice already this year, or another side from Manchester who ply some of their home games in Canada..... c020.gif

RankPostsTeam
International Star1623No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2024Apr 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
54309_1552130516.jpg
quote="Ruune Rebellion"]No. That’s what you said you idiot which is why you are sexiest lol. Give up you sexiest Imbecile[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54309.jpg



Quote: JonnoTheGreat "1500 to Huddersfield ha ha ha.

Keep off those dodgy tablets sunshine.'"


Pretty sure that was what the Huddersfield tannoy guy announced at the game but struggling to find any clarification online. Maybe a Hudds fan reading this can confirm how many there were?

Thanks for your input tho "sunshine" icon_lol.gif

RankPostsTeam
International Star1623No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2024Apr 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
54309_1552130516.jpg
quote="Ruune Rebellion"]No. That’s what you said you idiot which is why you are sexiest lol. Give up you sexiest Imbecile[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54309.jpg



Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I am not gloating. I am just stating a fact.

It is very sad. The club has a relatively new stadium. It is near a major city. If it was in healthy condition it should be drawing at least 7-8,000 per game and thereby at least breaking even.

Catalans Dragon by contrast, in a much smaller urban environment, regularly draws 8-9,000 fans to home games. Catalans in its pre-professional existence, before Super League, drew 1,000-1,500 per game. Toulouse now draws 1,500 French fans, plus visiting fans, and could be expected to emulate Catalans Super League attendances if it was promoted to Super League. Salford is also dwarfed in its fan base by the highly successful nearby clubs at Wigan, St. Helens and Warrington.

What this suggests is that Salford, despite over a century in existence, has lost its loyal fan base of years gone by and is destined to collapse for lack of financial viability.'"


sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif

RankPostsTeam
International Star1623No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2024Apr 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
54309_1552130516.jpg
quote="Ruune Rebellion"]No. That’s what you said you idiot which is why you are sexiest lol. Give up you sexiest Imbecile[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54309.jpg



Quote: SaleSlim "Pretty sure that was what the Huddersfield tannoy guy announced at the game but struggling to find any clarification online. Maybe a Hudds fan reading this can confirm how many there were?

Thanks for your input tho "sunshine"
https://www.salfordreddevils.net/ian-bl ... s-support/

My bad. Thought I heard them announce 1500 but was just over 1200 apparently.
Quote: SaleSlim "Pretty sure that was what the Huddersfield tannoy guy announced at the game but struggling to find any clarification online. Maybe a Hudds fan reading this can confirm how many there were?

Thanks for your input tho "sunshine"
https://www.salfordreddevils.net/ian-bl ... s-support/

My bad. Thought I heard them announce 1500 but was just over 1200 apparently.


98 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
98 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


5.13818359375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
14m
Shopping list for 2025
Cokey
5577
18m
Game - Song Titles
Cokey
40732
35m
Planning for next season
Cokey
176
54m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
MadDogg
4018
Recent
Film game
karetaker
5639
Recent
2025 Recruitment
Pyrah123
197
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
MadDogg
4018
3m
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
3m
TV Games - Not Hull
UllFC
3080
4m
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
4m
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
5m
How many games will we win
Butcher
5
5m
New Kit
Saddened!
67
5m
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
6m
Rumours thread
Scarlet Pimp
2515
6m
Leeds away first up
Butcher
41
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2024
Butcher
5
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Butcher
5
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
rubber ducki
12
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Butcher
41
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
460
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
530
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1271
England's Women Demolish The W..
1093
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1333
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1128
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1391
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1928
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2145
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2383
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1957
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2194
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2659
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2091
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2163