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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "It happened for a different reason, but using the same principle. Both players were paid during a “salary cap season” but never appeared for the club in a competitive fixture. As such, their salary (including the money that had already been paid) was exempt from the cap. Same principle applies here, it’s just a different reason the player won’t play.'"
Fair enough mate, cheers. I was just trying to think if there's been a case exactly the same as this, where a player gets hurt preseason and is out for the whole season.
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| Quote: Shifty Cat "Fair enough mate, cheers. I was just trying to think if there's been a case exactly the same as this, where a player gets hurt preseason and is out for the whole season.'"
Danny Addy for KR got injured in the friendly against FC and never played a competitive game in 2018.
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| Think if the RFL were to allow Cas special dispensation due to Gales injury then it just opens up a can of worms and is the wrong way to go.
Injuries both short and long term are part of the sport and that is why clubs have a squad system. As unfortunate as it is for Gale & Cas for me its something they will have to take on the chin and work around.
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "There’s been no outrage when it’s happened before at Leeds or Warrington has there?
It’s pretty simple. His salary will only count on this season’s cap if he actually plays. If he’s deregistered and doesn’t play all season, his salary won’t count on the cap. Cas won’t be able to re-register him until 2020, unless of course he recoveres quickly and other players leave so Cas have room on the cap for him to be re-registered.
I don’t see the issue. The players who play for Cas this season won’t exceed the salary cap.'"
Just a question as I am keen to understand, If his salary only counts if he actually plays in the season then why do the RFL operational rules state the opposite?
"A clubs Aggregate liability is calculated by adding together the respective Salary cap values of club`s players at the given time in question and then deducting any allowances or distentions permitted pursuant to these regulations:
A Clubs Players are:
"The 25 players registered with the Club who have the highest Salary cap values at the time in question, whether or not they have played for the club in a salary cap relevant match in the salary cap year to that date. "
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| Quote: homme vaste "Just a question as I am keen to understand, If his salary only counts if he actually plays in the season then why do the RFL operational rules state the opposite?
"A clubs Aggregate liability is calculated by adding together the respective Salary cap values of club`s players at the given time in question and then deducting any allowances or distentions permitted pursuant to these regulations
I assume he’ll be deregistered for the year.
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| Quote: number 6 "but it isnt if he isnt out all season now is it? even if he is able to play towards the end of the season the rfl are still considering allowing it.
I agree with your first point. If he is exempt from the cap, he shouldn’t be allowed to play (unless of course other players leave an Cas can therefore bring him in under the cap). He shouldn’t be allowed to play if it takes Cas over the cap at the end of the season.
Your second point is flawed. There are many people at Cas, and every club, who are paid a wage but don’t count on the salary cap.
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| Wouldn’t everyone be better just waiting to see what the RFL say about it rather than getting their knickers in a twist?
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| Luke Davico got injured in pre season for us and we de-registered him. No issue with it
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| Can a de-registered player be signed by another club? As in without a fee?
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| Quote: Clearwing "Can a de-registered player be signed by another club? As in without a fee?'"
In theory yes obviously the player is in agreement with the club before been de-registered but he could just go sign for someone else if he chooses
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| Quote: fun time frankie "In theory yes obviously the player is in agreement with the club before been de-registered but he could just go sign for someone else if he chooses'"
Don’t think so.
Dergistration isn’t the same as terminating his contract.
KR did it with Dobson and Mason didn’t they to avoid going over the quota when Dobson was injured?
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| but it's wrong. the salary cap is there for a reason. should a club, any club, lose a player on,say,100k a year be allowed to de register him in order to sign another? the player still has to be paid. it's cheating the cap
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| Quote: tad rhino "but it's wrong. the salary cap is there for a reason. should a club, any club, lose a player on,say,100k a year be allowed to de register him in order to sign another? the player still has to be paid. it's cheating the cap'"
Because he’s not going to play? A bit like when when the money that Leeds had already paid Segayaro was made exempt from the cap when he ran off?
The salary cap is there to make sure no club gains an on-field advantage. Clearly, as Gale won’t play Cas are unlikely to gain such an advantage. Unless we get dispensation for Gale and go and sign someone like Widdop, but I reckon that’s pretty unlikely.
I don’t know why everyone is worried about it though. Wigan, Warrington, Saints and Leeds are making use of the marquee rule so will be spending way more on player wages than Cas, even if Gale’s salary is exempt and is used to bring in another player for 2019.
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "Don’t think so.
Dergistration isn’t the same as terminating his contract.
KR did it with Dobson and Mason didn’t they to avoid going over the quota when Dobson was injured?'"
Yes we did and he could have walked away in theory
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| Quote: tad rhino "but it's wrong. the salary cap is there for a reason. should a club, any club, lose a player on,say,100k a year be allowed to de register him in order to sign another? the player still has to be paid. it's cheating the cap'"
This has happened numerous times by numerous clubs in the past, including Leeds in the last few years. Or is this just the recent anti-Cas sentiment that has crept in by fans of the "big clubs" on here over the last few years?
Just like there was a huge problem with Wells working for Sky but not McDermott, Carney and O'Connor when they worked/work for SL clubs...
Quote: tad rhino "Yes we did and he could have walked away in theory'"
Well - not in theory you deregister them as a player, not as an employee. They still get paid by the club and are under contract to the club, they just can't play until they get registered.
Or do you also think the players that don't get registered to the 23 man squad in Football are free to walk away from a contract too?
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