I don’t like gravy

Especially in defence.

He will probably claim that defence doesn’t matter to a good full back

Regards

King James

Call yourself a Trin fan, yet slag off our youngsters.

Call yourself a Yorkshire man, yet you don't like gravy!

I hope this is in jest... lol

Edited for accuracy.

Also, when did stats mean someones had a good or bad season? Again you are contradicting your own previous argument.

Or is it you just disagree with anyone that isnt crowing about how good Saints are this year and that they should win everything at the end of season awards?

A props job is to make metres, clearly he hasn’t done very well at that.

I agree casty shouldn't be in contention. Catalans have been doggeth in the league is year. Casty merely getting mentions for 2 strong games where he bellowed out yes papa a couple of times which enchanced his popularity.

Barba, Roby and McShane are the 3 clear favourites with the bookies. All those rubbishing McShane clearly don’t even watch rugby league.

Regards

King James

James Roby or Jon Bateman

Daryl Clark has gone right under the radar without Sky bigging him up this season, he’s been Wire’s best player by some distance.

Obviously Barba had a cracking start and got the ball rolling with Saints’ form.

McShane has been good for Cas.

But Roby or Bateman to win for me, either would be worthy.

James Roby or Tony Gigot

I wouldn’t even have McShane in the Leeds 17 man squad, with 2 hookers, and we’re terrible.

[iSome[/i prop’s jobs are to make metres,

Others are to keep the ball moving with having an offload game, others are to get a quick PTB where they’ll drop and hit the deck on contact and get their team going quickly, others are jut tackling machines, others are to act as a front pivot with a passing game... all with metres made as a secondary aspect to their game.

Metres made is a dubious stat sometimes as well. Someone can be given clear space from a good hooker four times every game and have clean ground to run into all the time and look like they make a tonne of metres over the season. Others can take three men in the hit-up every time and drive them metres back but in that whole slow process it allows the oppositions defensive line to get back the ten and well organised. Others can just put their head down and drive forward with no appreciation for where the defensive line are under-numbered anywhere and where space is on the field, missing out on better opportunities than head down and run-in rugby.

You can have a prop who can make metres but who also has an offload game, has a step, can pass the ball and have a quick PTB. Statistically they might not be near the top in any lists but overall is better than a one trick pony with a leg drive.

That’s why our big men always do well in the NRL because Aussie props have historically and are still very one dimensional (the Aussie game in general is very much a one-out, one hit-up style... quite boring!) and our lads have numerous aspects to their game that make them stand out.

It would the easiest thing to go for players from my own club so I'd vote for Bateman.

Tremendous everytime I see him and will be a huge loss for the pies next season.

Anyone who thinks Casty hasnt had a good season dont know rugby league.

For me he is in the same bracket as Bateman (maybe not to the same extent), very influential even if the stats done prove it.