The only thing she was trying to do was get them to leave. I think you are in a minority of one here.

Having watched the video i don't think Sam does much wrong apart from being plastered (which there's nothing wrong with him doing)

Joels the one to blame IMO. His verbal tirade at her is just horrendus.

Yeah now I've watch it, I agree - Sam's done nothing wrong (that is provable). He may well have said horrible stuff before the phone came out but he's not been recorded saying anything.

Sam's behaviour changes as soon as he realises he's being filmed. He's clearly more intelligent than his brother (not a high bar, granted) and keeps his mouth shut knowing that everything is being recorded.

If Wigan have known about this for as long as has been suggested, then their media/PR team is probably the ones best described as the rectum of Wigan.

So many ways that's not acceptable. I'm not small, and an ex-player myself, but if a drunk Joel Tomkins came round the bar towards me when I'd told him not to, I'd be pretty worried. Imagine how that woman must have felt.


To me, that's a big suspension and a big fine. But then that's what I thought should have happened to Albert Kelly.


Seems bonkers to me that we hand out huge suspensions to players who take recreational drugs in private with no impact on anyone else. But when players get off their face publicly on another recreational drug, alcohol, and frighten and/or abuse members of the public, it's all dismissed without consequence.

AS108 or should I call you Mrs Tompkins, you are as despicable as the pair of them.

How you can defend any of it is beyond belief.

He is obviously a neanderthal who thinks this kind of behaviour is acceptable.

Regards

King James

Like she said on the video though “see how Sam’s gone quiet now he knows I’m filming” which suggests he was just as bad before.

AS108, your constant boasting of your one season wonder heroes is one thing but your repetitive defence of two drunken s takes your IQ down from 108 to 98.

It's not. I stand by that.

The fact that pretty much everyone (with some intelligence at least) on this thread is pointing to the part where he goes behind the bar and grabs her as the worst part tells me they agree.

The fact that gobbing off to a ref has a different sentence to putting your hands on him.

The fact that players can wind each other up all game but the second they put hands on each other that's when it's stopped.

Come on. You're either trying to intentionally twist words, not very good at comprehending, or just not very bright. Verbal abuse is not good or acceptable. But physical abuse is far worse.

Have a read of the Wigan board. Even they aren’t defending them, I have no idea why you are. It’s absolutely disgusting behaviour from two people who are supposed to be professionals.

I always say, why do rugby league fans defend these sort of actions of rugby league players? Show me a video of Mo Farah, Adam Peaty, Anthony Joshua, David Silva, Andy Murray acting like this (or even in a pub full stop) and I’d be less inclined to shake my head when people do it. But 123 years after our sport supposedly became professional, we still have a huge amount of idiots in the game acting unprofessionally.

Professional athletes in a pub during the season?! That’s laughable. I watched a video of David Silva eating a Manchester Tart once and he only had a bite and said “I shouldn’t have more than that, it’s bad for your body and I have training tomorrow.. but it’s very tasty, thank you” (although admittedly there are still numerous idiots in football as well!)

Yet you get rugby league players inebriated during the season all the time- smoking too. What’s going on?! It’s not 1992 anymore. Letting your hair down and getting ed on your days off went out of fashion decades ago in other sports. Anyone reckons Roger Federer has got back to world number 1 in tennis at 36 by getting faced down his local on his days off?

A lad I know was telling a few lads that he was made to go on a drinking awareness course (he was suspended from work for a drinking misdemeanour!) and they said that after a good drinking session you can still be unfit to drive for up to four days after the drinking session. What does that say about lads who go into training the day after the hangover day in rugby? Or if they put a load of alcohol into their bodies the night after a game. Their bodies must be put under some poor conditions and performances must suffer in training and game day.

I’ve said they’ve behaved unacceptably here but the bar staff escalate the situation and deal with it poorly. The couple who came over shouting get out didn’t help either. If you shout at someone who is drunk the chances are they aren’t going to take it very well. Sam and Joel should have left earlier however.

In the case of the Tomkins video, I'd agree with you.

But in general, I wouldn't. Verbal bullying can often lead to self harming or even suicide.