I agree that there are huge benefits to a group of players from the same club playing together due to the relationships they have already established with each other.

The only downside is that England won't play anything like Cas. A lot of Cas' attacking moves come off the back of winning collisions and getting quick play-the-balls. Australia will be very happy to give penalties away if they lose the collision and back themselves to defend sets starting close to their line as opposed to clearing the ruck and allowing the roll on.

Eden isnt good enough to be waiting on, especially in a position we are relatively strong.

McShane isnt international class for me, too slow and his style fits Powell, not sure it will fit in to an international set up. I think Walmsley is great at SL level, not agile enough for international RL.

Hardaker, Lomax
Hall, McGilvary,
Watkins, Percival, Shenton
Gale, Widdop, Williams
Graham, Burgess, Hill,
Hodgson, Roby
Whitehead, Ward, Bateman, McMeeken
S Burgess,

With 4 places up for grabs.
1 is O'loughlin's if he wants it and his body is up to it
then one of J Burgess or Makinson,
At least 1 prop, if not two or possibly a utility.

He's played 7 and a bit league games (the bit being when Ferres took him out) so his record stacks up. He also took on Jack Bird in the WCC and came away with a try and a top performance.

I'm not turning this in to a Shenton vs Gildart debate at all . In all honesty I probably would select Shenton as back up centre (Watkins and Percival should be nailed on starts anyway imo) but Gildart is having a great season (when fit). As pointed out he's not the biggest but I think that helps him. He's never been physically dominated in a game to my mind and his defence has got better and better. He's certainly one for the future of but quote for this World Cup.

Clearly a joke

Hardaker should be fullback he's our best in that position and let's not start the whole tournament with the philosophy of selecting players out of their best positions: it has never worked for England/GB in the past. Daryl Clark should not be forgotten at 9, had a pretty good season personally in a Wire team that has underperformed all year.

True, Luke Burgess has never played for England RU.

If Eden is fit, he should get in the squad. He's outperformed both Hall and McGillvary.

As for McShane, I'm pretty sure he's just as quick as Josh Hodgson and Roby now he's lost his pace. There's only Daz Clark who probably has more pace and while his form has improved, it's been nowhere near comparable. You pick on form and right now, McShane is the form English hooker in the comp.

14 try assists, most of any hooker in the comp
7th most tackles by a hooker (but given we've defended less than other sides that explains why it's not more)
4th most tackles from marker by a hooker

People like Roby may be better defensively (less missed tackles), which is why he'll probably get in by McShane deserves his shot and his link play with Gale is a huge advantage too. There's a reason why Melbourne and Australia have been so dominant and that's because the spine of the team have played together loads.

Slater-Cronk-Smith and before that Kimmorley was in the halves.

For less than a season, in a team performing much better overall, playing a style of rugby much more suited to his game and completely different from how England will be playing in the world cup. Hall and McGillvary are miles better choices for international rugby.

Agreed.
Both Hall and McGillvary would have scored at least as many trys as Eden if they were playing where he has been all year. Plus they both offer more coming away from their own line. Hall's international record speaks for itself. He has to be left winger in my opinion.

McShane lol

You can lol so you like but McShane has been quality this season and deserves international recognition every bit as much as Gale and Hardaker.

I would worry about Eden defensively on the international stage.

Ratchford probably did enough in the game vs Samoa to get the utility spot. I'd definitely try to get Joe Burgess in there as well as he's got real pace and an eye for a try.

Eden has had a decent season in a career that barely reached mediocrity. Good on him. But we dont need to wait on that for our back up winger when it is a position we are particularly strong. The difference between England winning the World Cup or not isnt whether we pick Greg Eden or Joe Burgess or Tommy Makinson to be back up winger.

Again, Roby has a career of top quality games behind him, McShane has, for most of his career, barely reached average. Roby is a quality player who can play in a couple of positions. McShane simply isnt. He is a decent SL level player looking good in a good side.