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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Don't think Jungle is in much better condition to be fair, collapsing walls and exploding floodlights in the past few years.
The trouble with these old grounds is the cost to maintain them. Cas could find themselves in a very similar situation if the new ground doesn't come off for whatever reason.'"
the fans may not be the the club are, they are years behind and miss out massively in corporate revenue and day to day revenue of wheldon road. they can generate millions more with a good commercial set up. leeds do massive amounts in this and this will only go up with new north and south stands. and as stated above wheldon road may not be as bad as belle vue yet but its onl;y a couple of years of being that state. wakefield council have ravaged the 5 towns arrea last few years closing all 3 pools and sports centres. they are planning a new one but only for pontefract. they should be putting the lot in with a new stadium and genuine multi sports community complex, whether that be at glasshoughtonse or normanton way but they should be doing more.
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| Quote: rollin thunder "the fans may not be the the club are, they are years behind and miss out massively in corporate revenue and day to day revenue of wheldon road. they can generate millions more with a good commercial set up. leeds do massive amounts in this and this will only go up with new north and south stands. and as stated above wheldon road may not be as bad as belle vue yet but its onl;y a couple of years of being that state. wakefield council have ravaged the 5 towns arrea last few years closing all 3 pools and sports centres. they are planning a new one but only for pontefract. they should be putting the lot in with a new stadium and genuine multi sports community complex, whether that be at glasshoughtonse or normanton way but they should be doing more.'"
Again, it isn't cash that is lacking (although I cant see either club turning it down), it's the political will to enforce what has already been agreed.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Don't think Jungle is in much better condition to be fair, collapsing walls and exploding floodlights in the past few years.
The trouble with these old grounds is the cost to maintain them. Cas could find themselves in a very similar situation if the new ground doesnt come off for whatever reason.'"
Correct - ground maintenance is expensive. Lucky for us we have had a major shareholder who owns a building company fix the wall and a director who owns a electrical company do the floodlights - all at little cost. The maintenance work we do at Wheldon Road is essential but we own the ground so, we expect these repairs and budget for these costs.
This is where you (Wakefield) are stuck between a rock and a hard place - why do essential maintenance work when you don't own the ground and the new owner has no will to upkeep it for you either.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Again, it isn't cash that is lacking (although I cant see either club turning it down), it's the political will to enforce what has already been agreed.'"
If its not cash lacking thats the problem then why close knottingley sports centre, why knock down the library, why cut almost all but essential spending in that town, there may be cash aplenty in Wakefied itself but not to its furthest eastern outposts.
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| Quote: rollin thunder "If its not cash lacking thats the problem then why close knottingley sports centre, why knock down the library, why cut almost all but essential spending in that town, there may be cash aplenty in Wakefied itself but not to its furthest eastern outposts.'"
Add Castleford Baths and all municipal golf including Pontefract Park to that list.
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| Quote: rollin thunder "If its not cash lacking thats the problem then why close knottingley sports centre, why knock down the library, why cut almost all but essential spending in that town, there may be cash aplenty in Wakefied itself but not to its furthest eastern outposts.'"
Wakefield Council have made cuts right across the board. They aren't flush with cash period.
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| Quote: duke street 10 "Wakefield Council have made cuts right across the board. They aren't flush with cash period.'"
most of those cuts are from outlining district, wakefield itself is doing ok.
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| Crikey! Feel for the fans but jeez, members of the trust should hang there heads in shame! Blubbering on about broken promises might get you somewhere in primary school, but no so much in the big boy world.
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| Quote: Tigerade "Wakefield Council response to all the e-mails and letters here :-
You're clearly knocking something out over this.
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| Quote: Willzay "You're clearly knocking something out over this.'"
Yeah - I'm more annoyed than anything.
"Since 1984 the Council has provided Wakefield Trinity Rugby League Club (the Club) with [sizefinancial assistance in excess of £1.6m[/size in the form of guarantees, ground works and amounts written-off by the Council within Company Voluntary Arrangements entered into by Wakefield Trinity Wildcats in 2000 and again in 2004."
"The Council, during informal conversations with the Trust, has made it clear that it is [size prepared to make a financial contribution, similar to the offer made in 2009 (£2 million)[/size, as part of the development of a new stadium at Newmarket."
Add onto that another £150K paid by WMDC for the planning application (we had to sell Joe Westerman) to fund ours and I'm furious !
Where's Cas Tigers and Fev's council hand outs ?
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| Quote: Tigerade "Yeah - I'm more annoyed than anything.
"Since 1984 the Council has provided Wakefield Trinity Rugby League Club (the Club) with [sizefinancial assistance in excess of £1.6m[/size in the form of guarantees, ground works and amounts written-off by the Council within Company Voluntary Arrangements entered into by Wakefield Trinity Wildcats in 2000 and again in 2004."
"The Council, during informal conversations with the Trust, has made it clear that it is[size prepared to make a financial contribution, similar to the offer made in 2009 (£2 million)[/size, as part of the development of a new stadium at Newmarket."
Add onto that another £150K paid by WMDC for the planning application (we had to sell Joe Westerman) to fund ours and I'm furious !
Where's Cas Tigers and Fev's council hand outs ?'"
Thats a bit grandiose from the council.
That does not mean WT are down 1.6m to the council. Guarantees are financial assistance that are not necessarily called in. The ground repair was done when they owned the ground (before selling it at a profit)
Admittedly we will have owed council tax and other council costs when we have entered CVA's in the past, but thats not a handout either.
Cas and Fev residents get enough money out of the public purse as it is!
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| Conveniently forgetting you've had an equal amount of "assistance" from the council over the past couple of years.
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| Quote: Tigerade "Yeah - I'm more annoyed than anything.
"Since 1984 the Council has provided Wakefield Trinity Rugby League Club (the Club) with [sizefinancial assistance in excess of £1.6m[/size in the form of guarantees, ground works and amounts written-off by the Council within Company Voluntary Arrangements entered into by Wakefield Trinity Wildcats in 2000 and again in 2004."
"The Council, during informal conversations with the Trust, has made it clear that it is[size prepared to make a financial contribution, similar to the offer made in 2009 (£2 million)[/size, as part of the development of a new stadium at Newmarket."
Add onto that another £150K paid by WMDC for the planning application (we had to sell Joe Westerman) to fund ours and I'm furious !
Where's Cas Tigers and Fev's council hand outs ?'"
Apart from what TrinityIHC has already said. I'm not sure why you brought up the 2nd point because it was part of the same offer made to both clubs at the time, below. Our project is still ongoing but Cas scraped their Glasshoughton project and moved on to the 5 Towns Park one.
Quote: Tigerade "In July 2009 the Council's Cabinet offered land assets to the value of £2m (subject to criteria) to both Wakefield District Community Trust and Castleford Tigers on the understanding that both clubs are in the Super League and need to upgrade facilities to meet Rugby Football League criteria'"
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| Quote: Willzay "You're clearly knocking something out over this.'"
He's loving it. Snidely of course.
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