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| Quote: Him "Are you on glue?'"
Settee that is actually has leather overlaps glued,so in effect I am on glue you boring gimp
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| Quote: Him "Are you on glue?'"
Are you on a butt plug?
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| Quote: Him "We aren't that far away. Saints were poor tonight and Souths very good. If Saints had played at or near their best then they'd have pushed Souths close. A bounce of the ball and some even reffing would help too.
We do have issues though. In my opinion the biggest advantages the Aussies/NRL have over us/SL are bigger talent pool (In England there are approx 9000 registered, active players at age 12-16. Sydney alone has 42,000)
- Feeder clubs/reserves
- playing fewer games
- a supply of athletic Pacific Islanders
We can't do much about the last one, but we can coach our youngsters in the right fashion and try and get them more athletic. The other issues we can do something about. The talent pool being the biggest issue in my opinion.'"
Well I knew they had quite a few more but that's a bit of an eye opener tbh.
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| Miles behind? No, more that Souths are miles in front.
Our talent pool is a lot smaller
Part of the reason the pool is smaller is there is no money in the sport, if you're good at football and rugby it's a no brainer.
2 teams on more than half the salary cap kept another 2 teams to within 6 and 2 points respectively.
People need some perspective, we are nowhere near a level playing field yet we still compete.
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "It's important to remember that Souths are miles ahead of the majority of the NRL teams too.'"
Really?
They managed 3 more regular season wins than 10th placed Parramatta last year and one less than Manly and the Roosters. They are a very good team, but the NRL has a top 10 that are all quite capable of winning the comp this year.
What the 3 games have show us is that the NRL sides, even with a couple of weeks to go before their competition starts are in better shape than the best SL has to offer....they are fitter, stronger, faster and more talented. Benji Marshall, a player we were assured was "no loss and past it" when he went to the dark side was better than any of the english halves on show over the weekend and he wasn't even the best of the NRL lot......that's how far Superleague is behind the NRL.
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| Quote: Katrina "I feel that it's not just about the different caps. The problem with the salary cap is that even if we had the same cap as the NRL, we'd still only have the same players available, they'd just be earning more money. You could argue that there may not be as much of an incentive for our better players to leave for the NRL or union, but money isn't always a factor. There's other factors such as the weather, the lifestyle, the lure of the massive international profile, the national and international coverage, and backing yourself to go and test yourself against the best. We could have the exact same cap and I still think we'd be in the same boat. The Aussies get nice weather. They grow up in nice conditions being able to flick the ball about. Our kids grow up sliding about in the mud. Their players are simply bigger, stronger and have more skill. Sport and winning is an important philosophy in Aus. Over here we're happy if we lose as long as people try their best and put the effort in. We grow up on the mentality of, 'It's not the winning, it's the taking part' and 'everyone's a winner'. In reality, why would the very best NRL players leave to come to play in the wet and cold if they could get the same money back home?'"
I’m not sure what everyone’s striving for? (not you personally)
The Salary Cap could be increased which may afford clubs to purchase maybe a Sam Burgess, but only one club though, he’s a class above. But ultimately, even with a S.B we still couldn’t win an International competition, don’t dredge up the N.Z tour.
With all this money allegedly available if the Cap was increased, we could go down the football route, abolish the quota stuff & get a team of Galacticos (Aussies) to be the best club side in the world.
Unfortunately, back in the real world, the game doesn’t have that kind of money, unless of course some of the money men at certain clubs were prepared to take a sizable financial hit, and for what, to see their team win S.L & the W.C.C.
The game will never climb the sporting popularity ladder to the dizzy heights of Football & Union, never receive similar T.V rights, sponsorship or media adulation.
It is, what it is, a fringe sport, ok, we all love it but, come ‘on.
On a personal note I’d be happy if my team makes the eight.
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| Quote: Shifty Cat "Well I knew they had quite a few more but that's a bit of an eye opener tbh.'"
Take them stupid avatar glasses off then?
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| Quote: enigmatic "Really?
They managed 3 more regular season wins than 10th placed Parramatta last year and one less than Manly and the Roosters. They are a very good team, but the NRL has a top 10 that are all quite capable of winning the comp this year.
What the 3 games have show us is that the NRL sides, even with a couple of weeks to go before their competition starts are in better shape than the best SL has to offer....they are fitter, stronger, faster and more talented. Benji Marshall, a player we were assured was "no loss and past it" when he went to the dark side was better than any of the english halves on show over the weekend and he wasn't even the best of the NRL lot......that's how far Superleague is behind the NRL.'"
No, no, you can’t say that, we’re just a whisker away .
You’re risking the wrath of the Utopia Crew with their ground breaking ideas on how to solve the narrow divide .
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| The reasons why the game in this country is far behind is the my club, my club, my club mentality.
Development?
Grass roots?
Rubbish facilities for juniors etc etc etc.
Unless and until these attitudes and situations are changed, the SL clubs just want the cash for themselves, then nothing will change.
The money that has been WASTED on second rate, past it, never were's and never NRL will be's is beyond a joke. The SL clubs don't want to see it and they suck the RFL dry of the most funds.
Don't expect to see any changes, if any, for a long long time.
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| Quote: Shifty Cat "Well I knew they had quite a few more but that's a bit of an eye opener tbh.'"
Same here when I was first told the numbers. It's partly why I'm not slitting my wrists at the result tonight. I know Sydney is a major RL hub but the numbers in the rest of the country must bump it up to at least 55,000 (probably more). So we're trying to run approx 15? (11 SL & 4? Championship) full time teams on at least 1/6th of the players available to Australia.
Another part to the stats is that there are approx 3,500 inactive, registered players in England in the 12-16 age range. Effectively that means kids who were registered with a club but aren't playing ie dropped out for whatever reason. If we could keep those kids involved that would at least bump the numbers up to 12,500 from 9,000.
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| Quote: WIZEB "Take them stupid avatar glasses off then?'"
Nothing wrong with my stupid avatar glasses thankyou, saying that I'm thinking of going for something rimless next time though.
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "the last thing we should do is run away from tough competition, we should regroup and do what needs to be done to close that gap. The WCC/WCS in whatever format is an opportunity to celebrate when we win, and learn when we lose.
That's what we should do right now, no over-reaction to a loss against a very special side, not throw our hands up and say sod it we can't compete and stop bothering, its a time to take stock and make the changes necessary.
We need a proper pathway from 6-20, to develop better players, to teach them skills earlier, to test their weaknesses earlier, to improve them earlier, to improve them more and to do it to more players from a bigger pool.
We need to amend the SC and bring in a marquee exemption, if we are to be the best we need to be playing against and with the best regularly. Losing our best players damages our league and we have seen it written large this series. Our players, even our best players don't know how to deal with the best antipodean players because they simply don't have the experience.
We need to improve the quality of SL, a simple game of basic error free football beats us because our players don't play against it. Their mistakes aren't punish, they are given chances, they get piggy backed up the field. You need to be far better to win the NRL than you do SL, that's why they are producing far better players and teams than us.
We need to keep playing these games and international games, our players need more exposure and more experience playing against better players.'"
What our players need is weekly tough and intense battles.....not some one a year lesson from an Aussie side.
That's why we should start from the bottom up.....not this lets start from the top and play the Aussies as much as possible and hope that improves us.
Problem is that takes patience.....and RL in England doesn't have that.
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| There isn't much difference between top and bottom in the NRL, no matter hoe good everyone is someone has to come bottom of the league.
Our top 4 teams could compete in the NRL with a 3rd of the cap.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "What our players need is weekly tough and intense battles.....not some one a year lesson from an Aussie side.
That's why we should start from the bottom up.....not this lets start from the top and play the Aussies as much as possible and hope that improves us.
Problem is that takes patience.....and RL in England doesn't have that.'"
so what, we just retreat back and hope we somehow catch up? You don't get better by shielding yourself from competition you get better by playing the best.
Our problem isn't that we don't have patience, its that when the game went pro, the aussie clubs went pro, they focussed their talent and money on building a league which functions, one which spreads talent, one which has pathways, one which has professional structures in place. We didn't.
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "so what, we just retreat back and hope we somehow catch up? You don't get better by shielding yourself from competition you get better by playing the best.'"
It's not a case of shutting yourself off, it's a case of concentrating on the following which you list instead of being gooey eyed over the NRL......
Quote: SmokeyTA "Our problem isn't that we don't have patience, its that when the game went pro, the aussie clubs went pro, they focussed their talent and money on building a league which functions, one which spreads talent, one which has pathways, one which has professional structures in place. We didn't.'"
Exactly what we need to focus on......not expanded WCC's just so we can see some great individuals in the flesh beat our best.
Like I said, we need to start from the bottom and work our way up.....not foolishly hope that the more we play them in Interntionals and WCC's will somehow work.......because quite frankly we've had a WCC now ever year for well over 10 years now and on evidence on the last few years what good has it done??? We're heading backwards in these contests.
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