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| Quote: moto748 " Like most fans, I guess, I expect to see Wigan play with a bit of style and quality.'"
Like most neutrals, too, I reckon.
Wigan have got some good players, with enough skill to challenge any opposition on their day, which makes it all the more disappointing to see that they appear to be more interested in winning by constant niggling, laying on, moaning at the ref for penalties, etc.
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| Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Christ, if you're blind to the criticism Wigan fans have dished out to the likes of Ben Flower and Matty Smith when they've let us down then you're a lost cause. I suppose next you'll claim Gaz Hock was the most popular player at the club.
I'm with you there. There's plenty of pies who hate to see the clubs reputation tarnished.
Are the current Wigan squad a victim of their own success? For a few year now, they've lost players and everyone's said they'd be weaker for it, but they've managed to stay on top. Other teams' supportors (including myself) have claimed that the Wigan players on the whole are not so special, but it the effective way in which Wane had them playing as a unit that was the ultimate key to their success.
Have they slipped a bit and are struggling to get back on the right line - exposing the weakness in various players? They know they need to play the game as hard as possible, as they were doing a couple of years ago, but are struggling to do that while keeping their cool? Is the fact that older heads like Hoffman and Lima have left and the younger firebrands of Tomkins, Farrell and Batemen can't quite get the orders right without things going skew-iff? All these young men, trying desperately to recreate the success of the last 5 years when, as a squad of 25-30, they might not be quite as good as they think?
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "I'm with you there. There's plenty of pies who hate to see the clubs reputation tarnished.
Are the current Wigan squad a victim of their own success? For a few year now, they've lost players and everyone's said they'd be weaker for it, but they've managed to stay on top. Other teams' supportors (including myself) have claimed that the Wigan players on the whole are not so special, but it the effective way in which Wane had them playing as a unit that was the ultimate key to their success.
Have they slipped a bit and are struggling to get back on the right line - exposing the weakness in various players? They know they need to play the game as hard as possible, as they were doing a couple of years ago, but are struggling to do that while keeping their cool? Is the fact that older heads like Hoffman and Lima have left and the younger firebrands of Tomkins, Farrell and Batemen can't quite get the orders right without things going skew-iff? All these young men, trying desperately to recreate the success of the last 5 years when, as a squad of 25-30, they might not be quite as good as they think?'"
Add in the more recent losses of Green, Taylor and Harrison from the 2013 winners and you can see the experience has been depleted and they guys above all tackled above their weight. They are missed and you can't expect the younger guys to fill their shoes straight up but they are trying to play that style and don't have the physique or skill set to be hard as nails and it is showing
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44920_1327005775.png [quote="Harrigan":1th0f7ap]Wigan are the most structured team I have ever seen in this country.[/quote:1th0f7ap]
[quote="NickyKiss":1th0f7ap]As a fan Wane makes you want to run through a brick wall so you can only imagine how he makes the players feel![/quote:1th0f7ap]
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "I'm with you there. There's plenty of pies who hate to see the clubs reputation tarnished.
Are the current Wigan squad a victim of their own success? For a few year now, they've lost players and everyone's said they'd be weaker for it, but they've managed to stay on top. Other teams' supportors (including myself) have claimed that the Wigan players on the whole are not so special, but it the effective way in which Wane had them playing as a unit that was the ultimate key to their success.
Have they slipped a bit and are struggling to get back on the right line - exposing the weakness in various players? They know they need to play the game as hard as possible, as they were doing a couple of years ago, but are struggling to do that while keeping their cool? Is the fact that older heads like Hoffman and Lima have left and the younger firebrands of Tomkins, Farrell and Batemen can't quite get the orders right without things going skew-iff? All these young men, trying desperately to recreate the success of the last 5 years when, as a squad of 25-30, they might not be quite as good as they think?'"
Yes, our structured style has been key in filling the gaps left by seemingly irreplaceable players, and perhaps there is only so much that structure can help before inexperienced lads start to feel the cracks appearing, but I wouldn't go so far as to say we have reached a point where they are frustrated and losing their cool.
Besides the Flower incident our players have done nothing really out of the ordinary where discipline is concerned. Other teams still have their own hot heads, I've seen players from other teams twist joints, attack the head, and kick players in the face as they struggle free from the tackle, but it's fashionable to focus on Wigan right now and ignore the usual suspects as they carry on as normal.
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| Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Yes, our structured style has been key in filling the gaps left by seemingly irreplaceable players, and perhaps there is only so much that structure can help before inexperienced lads start to feel the cracks appearing, but I wouldn't go so far as to say we have reached a point where they are frustrated and losing their cool.
Besides the Flower incident our players have done nothing really out of the ordinary where discipline is concerned. Other teams still have their own hot heads, I've seen players from other teams twist joints, attack the head, and kick players in the face as they struggle free from the tackle, but it's fashionable to focus on Wigan right now and ignore the usual suspects as they carry on as normal.'"
Probably correct.
How confident are Wigan supporters about this season?
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| Not read the whole thread so apologies, but have either of Smith or Tomkins been called before the RFL yet?
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| Quote: Mike Oxlong "Not read the whole thread so apologies, but have either of Smith or Tomkins been called before the RFL yet?'"
Just had a butchers and there's no updated disciplinary on the RFL website yet
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| Quote: Chris28 "Just had a butchers and there's no updated disciplinary on the RFL website yet'"
ven ifhe'd have got red, Smith would've been sending off sufficient.
I can't see them deeming what Tomkins did as bad enough for a potential ban, unless they take umbrage at the fact he chased one player, then went for another.
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| Wigan v Salford should be an interesting game this season... cant see there being much niggle though.
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44920_1327005775.png [quote="Harrigan":1th0f7ap]Wigan are the most structured team I have ever seen in this country.[/quote:1th0f7ap]
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| Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Smith has been charged with 15.1 Strikes, Kicks Grade B 1-2 matches
Does smith not have the egp? Ah Van has taken his and has a 1 match ban (from reading the notes) so why not smith?
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| Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Smith has been charged with 15.1 Strikes, Kicks Grade B 1-2 matches
How much do you think you rely on Smith? Will Hampshire come in or will the one of Williams/Powell who's not currently playing get the nod?
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Does smith not have the egp? Ah Van has taken his and has a 1 match ban (from reading the notes) so why not smith?'"
he does have an early plea available - his last caution was 08-02-13 dangerous lift v Warrington
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44920_1327005775.png [quote="Harrigan":1th0f7ap]Wigan are the most structured team I have ever seen in this country.[/quote:1th0f7ap]
[quote="NickyKiss":1th0f7ap]As a fan Wane makes you want to run through a brick wall so you can only imagine how he makes the players feel![/quote:1th0f7ap]
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Does smith not have the egp? Ah Van has taken his and has a 1 match ban (from reading the notes) so why not smith?'"
Yes Smith has an EGP, and seeing as the WCC game against the Broncos is our game after next I think we can assume he will use it.
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| Hampshire at 6 - Williams at 7 would be ideal as they know each others game inside out, but our forwards would have to be outstanding to give them room to play
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