Well, our pack took you to the cleaners back in April. But let's go back to the basic difference tonight: 13 vs 12.

Halfbacks, props, whatever, you scraped home despite us being down to 12 but still the stronger team for long periods. The only difference in the end was you always had that extra man in defence which made it hugely difficult to penetrate - and still we came close. 78 minutes vs 12 men and a weakened pack? Of course you should win.

I've no problem with you winning it, your boys done good. Just.

No it's not. It's like saying the only difference in the end was Saints always had that extra man in defence which made it hugely difficult to penetrate.

Which is exactly what I said.

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Don't be daft. There is no way Saints would have won that game if Flower hadn't been sent off...

Why not? Wigan couldn't score against Saints in the last league game either. Clearly struggle to break down Saints superior defending.

Tonight Saints had the snake by the jaw from behind. It could no longer bite us. We starved it until it died. But we could have sliced and diced it had we needed to, but why risk being bitten when you are in complete control?

Haha. So very true. The real Grand Final between the best two sides this year was last week.

Still, a pyrric victory for the great unwashed will suit them nicely.

Congratulations! Was cheering for you, glad you did it. Enjoy it!

Haha, must have been a bitter pill to swallow for you yesterday with an attitude like that. It wasn't the Grand Final last week was it? So get over it.

Oh really?? Which team actually picked up the trophy then?

Glad Saints won, think the whole of rugby league is outside the town of Wigan.

It was an awful spectacle though. Saints - as hard as some worked, as hard as it was with no half backs - were awful! understandably so (not having a pop out of jealousy or owt) but that makes it all the worse that a team with no half backs, no first choice full back and no kicking game can win the SL title. I want next season's final to quickly come to sweep this one under the carpet.

I thought it was bad when Huddersfield had to move their fans into one stand the other week because of the power cut and it appeared that absolutely nobody turned up to a play off game. But I also don't think it's great for our sport having a game that bad to watch in terms of quality (not drama) as the "pinnacle" of our game and season.

The worst Grand Final ever!

Not that Saints fans will care, all that matters to them is that they lifted it. and I'm glad they beat that lot!

The people who say saints are worst team to finish top and win super league grand final must be a bit brain less, there teams finished below them so what kind of team do u support if saints are that bad ???? the rest of super league must be awful.

Earlier in the season when Saints had a full squad they looked a very good side indeed. They were naturally hampered by so many injuries, including to virtually all the play makers and even 'stand-in' play makers. They have every excuse for any shortcomings last night. Bear in mind also that Sean Wane, now that he has finally agreed to talk about the match (www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... t-in-style ) quickly reaches for the 'we were without Mickey Mac ' excuse. I think Saints were down rather more players than that.

Earlier in the season when Saints had a full squad they looked a very good side indeed. They were naturally hampered by so many injuries, including to virtually all the play makers and even 'stand-in' play makers. They have every excuse for any shortcomings last night. Bear in mind also that Sean Wane, now that he has finally agreed to talk about the match (www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... t-in-style ) quickly reaches for the 'we were without Mickey Mac ' excuse. I think Saints were down rather more players than that.

Saints got the trophy, Flower lost the game. Even with 12 Wigan, as much as I hate to say it, were the better side.