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Quote: Kippaxer "We're all a bit biased in favour of our own players, but this is on another level. Nice one.'"


I fail to see how I've been anymore biased than anyone else.

People don't like Mcilorum fine, I do.

Maybe some people like other players over Faz, I don't. Other than that I don't see any bias.

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Quote: whiston_warrior "Clark and Roby are too similar, they only thrive on quick ptb's which we won't be getting too much of. Mcilorum has to start for me to soften their forwards up then it's either Clark or Roby off the bench.

We've also spent far too many years playing people out of position so Tomkins should play full back.

How anyone can pick Briscoe or Makinson over Charnley is beyond me, look how many tries Josh has scored compared to the games played. Last year everyone wanted Briscoe in because he only didn't score much because Hull were rubbish, what's the excuse this year?

Tomkins
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Watkins
Shenton
Hall

Widdop
Smith

Graham
Mcilorum
Cooper
Farrell
Westwood
O'Loughlin

Clark
Cooper
G Burgess
Ferres'"


Cooper looks a decent player this year but not sure he's good enough to be named twice. icon_wink.gif A little bit of Wigan favouritism in there but still an excellent team if you stick in Hill and someone else for the Cooper twins.

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Quote: Eastbourne Warrior "Did your P get stuck?'"

Happens to all of us at a certain age.

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Quote: Errlee Berd "Could there be a case made to put Ablett there, purely to avoid any of our other centres getting trampled to death by Inglis and Hurrell?'"

I don't know. That could be seen as a negative tactic, but defence does win big games.

Listening to reports, I now very much doubt if Inglis will play in the Four Nations. It sounds like he's playing through a painful hip injury for Souths.

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Watkins did fine defending against Inglis last year. You can't start picking backs because of their defence. Shenton deserves another crack, he's solid in every area and has had a great season.

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Quote: Fully "That is utter tosh!

Shenton is defensively sound and when he went off injured in the Four Nations, England fell to pieces versus the Aussies when we had a good chance of winning.

He has always performed well at international level.'"


He's had a fine season, so may well deserve a crack, but in that tournament he didn't give Ryan Hall one single pass.

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Quote: Loyal Leeds Fan "Cooper looks a decent player this year but not sure he's good enough to be named twice.
Doh!!

I meant Hill off the bench. When you look at his stats he seems to have a fantastic ability to get a quick ptb, so i'd bring him on when clark comes on.

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Quote: CGD "When is the last time you watched that game?

Two tries in about 8 minutes were scored down Shenton's side just before he got injured. The flood of points had already started, and yes, it continued after he went off.

If Shenton plays this year, he'll also have Konrad Hurrell to worry about now.'"


It was 16-22 when he went off to Aussies. Just because it was down his side, doesn't mean Shenton was at fault nor should he be called weak in defence because of it when he really isn't.

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Quote: vernon "He's had a fine season, so may well deserve a crack, but in that tournament he didn't give Ryan Hall one single pass.'"


17 try assists this season suggests he may have grown from his younger days.

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Quote: Errlee Berd "Could there be a case made to put Ablett there, purely to avoid any of our other centres getting trampled to death by Inglis and Hurrell?'"


I'd definitely have Ablett in the team somewhere. I thought he was outstanding against us last week. He was literally all over the pitch in defence and attack.

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Quote: Wigg'n "I'd definitely have Ablett in the team somewhere. I thought he was outstanding against us last week. He was literally all over the pitch in defence and attack.'"


And thats a huge compliment from a Wiganer ! icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Fully "It was 16-22 when he went off to Aussies. Just because it was down his side, doesn't mean Shenton was at fault nor should he be called weak in defence because of it when he really isn't.'"

Then why did you bring up the fact that the Kangaroos "ran riot down his side" once he went off, if you don't want to hear that they were scoring down his side while he was still on?

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Quote: Wigg'n "I'd definitely have Ablett in the team somewhere. I thought he was outstanding against us last week. He was literally all over the pitch in defence and attack.'"


Ablett has been one of Leeds' best players for most of this season. I'd definitely have him in the squad.

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The team is becoming a bit easier to pick as players are ruled out with injury. I would of had Watkins and Reed as centres, as Reed is out then Shenton is the next best this season. I still keep changing my mind as to whether I'd pick Tomkins at full back and Hardaker as either Centre or squad player or to have Tomkins in the halves and Hardaker at FB. I'm not sure Tomkins and Widdop would make a great combination and would be tempted to put an organiser such as Smith in at 7. Hooker is another difficult one, Roby is a certainly and the best in the country IMO, but does he play for 80, rotate with Clarke or would the balance of MM and Roby as a combo work better (you don't need to quote that bit as I know the answer from most, I highly rate MM and am entitled to my opinion)?

The no brainers in the team IMO are 1/6 Tomkins, Wing - Hall, Centre - Watkins, 6/7 Widdop, props - Graham, Hill, G Burgess, SR - Ferres, LF - SOL, 9/bench Roby.

For me the rest of the team is up for grabs but my 24 man squad would be - Tomkins, Hardaker, Hall, Briscoe, Charnley, Watkins, Shenton, Widdop, Smith, Sneyd, Graham, Hill, G Burgess, T Burgess, Cooper, Roby, Clarke, MM, Ferres, Farrell, Ablett, Westwood, SOL, Westerman.

That's probably different from my last contribution to am England thread and will probably change again before the end of the season. There is at least a bit of competition for places in most positions.

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