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| I hope we have a thread this long calling for an England player to be banned for 8 games if dares to call an Australian player an "Aussie bar steward", or likewise an Aussie for daring to call an England player a "pommie t!!t". Abuse of any player based on sexuality, colour or even where you come from is defined in exactly the same way. The next time anyone from over the big hill decides to chant "Dirty Yorkshire bar steward" you are breaking the law as layed down by the RFL. It is every bit as bad as homophobic or racist chanting, not my opinion, the RFL's opinion.
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| Some are assuming that nothing has been included in the referees report but has this been confirmed anywhere? IIRC the last time it was not announced until later that the referee had indeed included it in his report.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "I don't remember Leeds fans being so outraged about trial by social media hereat the fans. Complaints from the field were irrelevant in that case and fans don't get a say in whats in the match report (well, they didn't used to anyway now its not so clear )
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| Quote: leeds owl "I hope we have a thread this long calling for an England player to be banned for 8 games if dares to call an Australian player an "Aussie bar steward", or likewise an Aussie for daring to call an England player a "pommie t!!t". Abuse of any player based on sexuality, colour or even where you come from is defined in exactly the same way. The next time anyone from over the big hill decides to chant "Dirty Yorkshire bar steward" you are breaking the law as layed down by the RFL. It is every bit as bad as homophobic or racist chanting, not my opinion, the RFL's opinion.'"
Apart from the fact that Yorkshire and Lancashire are not "races" nor are they definitions of sexuality nor is Bstard.
and therefore the RFL would not find it racist or Homphobic your point is valid
They may find it parochial or insulting though
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41106.jpg You come at the king - You better not miss.
It ain't what you takin', it's who you takin' from, ya feel me? How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sparring with the puppies?:41106.jpg |
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "I was working on the assumption that he was found guilty of saying something homophobic. The blown kiss creates the context of the word. I think the RFL were right to send a message out last time, and even if he is shown to have not learned his lesson I still don't think it would merit half a season. You can break someone's jaw with a deliberate high shot and not get the equivalent of half a season. Zak may have pushed them into a corner if he has said it, which is why I think they'll judge that they can't be certain what was said. Gets everyone off the hook.'"
I don't disagree with you. I have however seen other suggest blowing the kiss was in itself implicitly homophobic regardless of what was said (which is ridiculous).
I would like to know the context that Hardaker was responding to but I have neither the time nor the means of finding a video of the incident to try and deduce what Flanagan said. However, if the RFL are going to investigate they should feel obliged to do so. The original eagle eyed viewer sadly only provided an isolated clip.
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41106.jpg You come at the king - You better not miss.
It ain't what you takin', it's who you takin' from, ya feel me? How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sparring with the puppies?:41106.jpg |
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Apart from the fact that Yorkshire and Lancashire are not "races" nor are they definitions of sexuality nor is Bstard.
and therefore the RFL would not find it racist or Homphobic your point is valid www.ibtimes.com/homophobes-likel ... nds-434958
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This nonsense of describing Hardaker's actions as a trial by social media is very wearing and shows the narrow mindedness of those that state it. Those on social media are members of the public. As a member of the public it is well within reason for us to point out those whom are actually breaking the law or indeed the possibility that a law has being broken, to stand back and do nothing isn't acceptable now and it never should be, that's why we have massive social problems within families and on the streets, in the classroom down the pub and in the workplace because far too many are happy to stand by (or indeed join in) and let criminal activity and social unacceptable behaviour carry on without a care.
In this case it just happens to be a RL player in the middle of a match, that in itself shouldn't have any bearing on whether a law was broken. One could cite an assault to the person, just because it is a rubgy match doesn't exclude that a member of the public could report an assault where one player punches the crud out of another (i'm surprised fewer cases come about tbh).
That a player makes homophobic/hateful comments to another human being is in itself against the law (unlike sexist comments which aren't at present) and just because an organisation/employerand/or the officials may choose to ignore what was obvious that doesn't stop members of the public from reporting it. If that be through social media (as in the case of other criminal offences in recent times) it matters not. That an offence 'possibly' has being commited should be investigated, that Hardakers comments a few months back could warrant a caution from the police as he would if he made the comment to another in the high street from some quarters means he got off lightly with ban from plying his trade at his place of work.
IF he is found guilty and that is by no means certain then he should be rightly castigated and given a final warning as to his conduct, this would send the message to all players AND indeed fans that crossing the line isn't acceptable both socially and within the confines of the law.
If the RFL aren't 100% sure they must still advise the player that his conduct is unbecoming and against operational player conduct rules (foul language).
Personally I'm not 100% sure he says 'poof', however his action of blowing a kiss beforehand leans toward it. I think the lad needs help, either to help him control his anger and also to help with him maybe being a closet homosexual.
There are studies that suggest those that make such comments are indeed such. www.ibtimes.com/homophobes-likel ... nds-434958
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| Quote: FearTheVee "I don't remember Leeds fans being so outraged about trial by social media here:
His gesture during a controversial and compelling game outraged RL fans who swamped message boards with complaints.
One wrote: “Silly boy – it’s things like this that make people dislike him and it will do nothing to endear him to the RL public.”
Poor comparison.
If Hardaker did use the word puff then it was directed at someone on the field.
Tomkins V-sign was aimed towards the crowd.
Two completely different incidents and whereas there's conflicting lip-reading efforts by everybody on here i don't think anybody even Wigan fans could argue that it wasn't a V-sign Tomkins flashed up.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Poor comparison.
If Hardaker did use the word puff then it was directed at someone on the field.
Tomkins V-sign was aimed towards the crowd.
Two completely different incidents and whereas there's conflicting lip-reading efforts by everybody on here i don't think anybody even Wigan fans could argue that it wasn't a V-sign Tomkins flashed up.'"
I'm responding to the incredulity that the RFL could dare to look at something not in a match report or reported by a player (thereby succumbing to "trial by Twitter"icon_wink.gif, not comparing the two incidents themselves.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "I have no problem with the RFL investigating.
I dont think he said 'puff' i dont know that he didnt. I wouldnt criticise those who think he did say 'puff' but didnt know that he did.
I think those who know that he did are clearly lying and deserve any and all criticism that comes their way.'"
..but you are claiming that just because you didn't see it therefore it didn't happen and no-one is correct apart from you?
Seems like plenty of others beg to differ.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "He might have said "pussy", but that is arguably as homophobic, in the context of a blown kiss.'"
Is it?
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| Quote: Tre Cool "He blew a kiss at him. Homophobic.'"
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| Quote: mark_m "..but you are claiming that just because you didn't see it therefore it didn't happen and no-one is correct apart from you?
Seems like plenty of others beg to differ.'"
Read his post again. Nobody knows. Believe what you want but nobody knows. Until the incident is investigated, any calls for a punishment are premature and a little bit pathetic. That is that.
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