Quote: wrencat1873 "No it wasn't, you need to watch the highlights again ER..Yes it was, I watched it this afternoon to be sure @43:58..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95gof3Yfbos King Kev is the number seven that hoofs it aimslessly into the Kiwi full backs hands, he then jogs upfield and joins into the defence clear as day. No need to apologise

Quote: wrencat1873 "No it wasn't, you need to watch the highlights again ER..Yes it was, I watched it this afternoon to be sure @43:58..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95gof3Yfbos King Kev is the number seven that hoofs it aimslessly into the Kiwi full backs hands, he then jogs upfield and joins into the defence clear as day. No need to apologise

If you're going to criticise Sinfield for the end of that game, please advise who could have done better to get England into a position where the mistakes actually mattered.

I never understand the scapegoating of individuals for GB/England losing. We have inferior players, most of whom play in an inferior competition. Blaming one player for a side failing is ridiculous.

Much as I can't stand the guy now, we used to hear the same ridiculous nonsense directed at Farrell - probably because when he played he was one of the few class players we had.

Sinfield set up 2 Trys in that game and was one of our top performers, as he was for most of our WC games.

You seem to have a problem with things clouding your judgement.

Farrell was a total failure against Australia and New Zealand, just like Sinfield. He was totally out of his class.

Paul Sculthorpe was a far superior performer on the international stage, and outshone Farrell in Great Britain's matches against Australia and New Zealand.

Same one for me Wrencat. That is the one I thought was very, very poor as it got the Kiwis going forward. Might not have been the last kick (I stand corrected on that, thank you) but it was definitely defining in terms of how the match was going.

The thing I find most amusing about these kind of threads - if Sinfield was such a bang average international player, then what the hell were all the others???

Internationals.

I recall a good game where he was played at Hooker at Test level.

Your Halves have to be as good or better than their opposition, Sinfield has not been and he has not troubled the opposition enough to worry or target him.
Only to the point they knew how to shut him down as he was not agile or fast enough to break the line so he was a one trick Pony with the ball in his hands.
When you have a limited back line and a limited Half, is it any wonder why England can not get any Trophy's?

I think we have a very good back line now. Hopefully we can find some star halves in the future.

More like, he couldn't be informed as much from 12,000 miles away.
He's not as dumb as he looks.

so who replaces sinfield in the halves?

who do we think with be the halves that play down under at the end of this season...

would have to think widdop will be one .. is chase still involved in the setup?

As long as it is a halfback and not a forward playing at half back I am happy. That said no point putting two runners/support players when we need at least one organiser playing at 6 or 7. Bit of pace as well would be nice.

Reminds me of Gaz Ellis last year, wondering if Steve Mac is telling these players they will not be picked again and can retire with out seeming to be dropped?