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| Quote: Rooster Booster "No they're not. Advertisers pay the money as it's the only terms of reference they have.
OzTam works by ONLY 3,500 households in the whole of Australia that have a box to press every time they turn the telly over and who it the home turns over. That's it, then they multiply it and come to the figure. ALso a programme is registered as being watched if it on for a few minutes. Think about that from the over 150 mins on telly the other night.
It's not accurate, it's an average.
estimates drawn from actual viewing behaviour in a panel of homes that is representative of the wider population.[/i
That is the same method that all figures like these are based on.
Its a broad based number of viewers and they extrapolate the figures.
All Political Polls are done in the same way.
Do you think they can ask the 4 million viewers what they were watching and they all say "yes we were watching"?
Sponsors take the Oztam figures realistic enough to base their financial investments on.
That should be enough.
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It's mathematics. Sample and statistics.
"Only" 3500? If distributed across demographics randomly, such a sample size is extremely reliable when extrapolated. As I said, the error margins are within a few percent, at most. They would often be one perfect off reality.
Don't like it? Doesn't suit your own opinion? You had better challenge the foundations of mathematics then. Good luck. A Nobel Prize awaits.
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State of origin is the toughest team sporting contest on earth.
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Talk of inglis moving to 6 and Thurston to 7.
With either Chambers or Nielsen playing at Centre.
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| Quote: CGD "It's mathematics. Sample and statistics.
"Only" 3500? If distributed across demographics randomly, such a sample size is extremely reliable when extrapolated. As I said, the error margins are within a few percent, at most. They would often be one perfect off reality.
Don't like it? Doesn't suit your own opinion? You had better challenge the foundations of mathematics then. Good luck. A Nobel Prize awaits.'"
I would love to hear your justification (regression analysis) to how 3500 makes a good sample size of what 20,000,000 
I can't be bothered to number crunch, but true extrapolation probably requires somewhere between 10-15k to be within 12sigma limits as claimed. 3k is more than enough to get to 6sigma standard though |
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "I would love to hear your justification (regression analysis) to how 3500 makes a good sample size of what 20,000,000 ![]()
State of Origin is what it is.....a brutal contest that interests more Aussie sports fans than usual because it's on a Wednesday Night......and advertisers because it delivers those sports fans. 4 Billion (  )4 million or 400k.....it's worth what the advertisers and TV companies are willing to pay for it.
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Quote: Buggo "That is the same method that all figures like these are based on.
Its a broad based number of viewers and they extrapolate the figures.
All Political Polls are done in the same way.
Do you think they can ask the 4 million viewers what they were watching and they all say "yes we were watching"?
Sponsors take the Oztam figures realistic enough to base their financial investments on.
That should be enough.'"
3,500 homes in AUSTRALIA.
Yet the last census shows that there are 1,720,333 private dwellings in the greater Sydney region alone.
As I said, it's the way it is. It's what they have. If you believe that 1 in 5 people in Australia watched it. Then that's up to you. Good luck with that. Just also remember that in those 3,500 Oztam homes, you only need to be on a channel for several minutes and not a whole programme to be regarded as having viewed it. So they can give far reaching, roughly based averages to advertisers. And as shown previously Oztam say they are ESTIMATES. Yet the journalists version doesn't point that out.
State of Origin I was a ratings winner for the NRL with the game posting a record audience for an opening game of the series as 4.053 million viewers tuned in around Australia.
Read more: www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z33QwvM9DV
www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census ... stat/1GSYD |
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Quote: Buggo "That is the same method that all figures like these are based on.
Its a broad based number of viewers and they extrapolate the figures.
All Political Polls are done in the same way.
Do you think they can ask the 4 million viewers what they were watching and they all say "yes we were watching"?
Sponsors take the Oztam figures realistic enough to base their financial investments on.
That should be enough.'"
3,500 homes in AUSTRALIA.
Yet the last census shows that there are 1,720,333 private dwellings in the greater Sydney region alone.
As I said, it's the way it is. It's what they have. If you believe that 1 in 5 people in Australia watched it. Then that's up to you. Good luck with that. Just also remember that in those 3,500 Oztam homes, you only need to be on a channel for several minutes and not a whole programme to be regarded as having viewed it. So they can give far reaching, roughly based averages to advertisers. And as shown previously Oztam say they are ESTIMATES. Yet the journalists version doesn't point that out.
State of Origin I was a ratings winner for the NRL with the game posting a record audience for an opening game of the series as 4.053 million viewers tuned in around Australia.
Read more: www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z33QwvM9DV
www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census ... stat/1GSYD | |
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I've always said its bullox. 500 boxes in Perth for 2mill. When you get to small numbers it is nonsense. For example according to oztam NRL rates around 25k a game on Friday night in Perth. Now one box equals about 4000 people. I know at least 20 households of my friends and family who watch NRL and don't have a box. If just half of them happened to be chosen NRL ratings would be over doubled.
It might be more accurate for larger samples but in states like WA it isn't close IMO.
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Anyway what a game it was watched by millions of people all over the world
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: j.c "Anyway what a game it was watched by millions of people all over the world'"
Point of Order.
90k in NZ and no other accountable ratings anywhere, so it was watched by 4 million in Australia but nowhere else was it watched by anything like "millions".....Premier TV still only have 6k in the UK.......it's unlikely it was seen "live" by more than 5 million globally. |
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| Quote: JB Down Under "I've always said its bullox. 500 boxes in Perth for 2mill. When you get to small numbers it is nonsense. For example according to oztam NRL rates around 25k a game on Friday night in Perth. Now one box equals about 4000 people. I know at least 20 households of my friends and family who watch NRL and don't have a box. If just half of them happened to be chosen NRL ratings would be over doubled.
It might be more accurate for larger samples but in states like WA it isn't close IMO.'"
950 in Sydney; 900 in Melbourne; 650 in Brisbane; 500 in Adelaide; 500 in Perth.
Oztam is jointly owned by channels 7, 9 and 10. |
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I guess some we are attempting to talk the game up and report the great ratings as a positive thing.
It seems its all a load of rubbish based on dodgy figures by a corrupt auditor owned by the TV channels.
Rugby League fans are their own worst enemy.
I am not sure why Gutterfax posts here beyond being vindictive about not getting a Job with the English Rugby League some time ago, and living in a backwater that no fans in Australia really cares about.
Rooster Booster has a Job in the NRL and I am not sure if its Jeans description of water carrier for the Newtown Jets but he never seems happy and takes every opportunity to lay the boot into his Employers/League/Country of residence.
How can that be a healthy outlook with fans like these?
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "I would love to hear your justification (regression analysis) to how 3500 makes a good sample size of what 20,000,000 ![]()
Ok, fair enough.
Do you account for 3500 to be the number representing households, rather than individuals? Where you could safely assume the average household contains at least 2 people?
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| Quote: CGD "Ok, fair enough.
Do you account for 3500 to be the number representing households, rather than individuals? Where you could safely assume the average household contains at least 2 people?'"
Average household in Australia ~ 2.6 still isn't close enough to get within the 98-99% sigma level - but as I say, still more than enough to get into the 98-69% standard , which is all that really matters with statistics!
That's not to say these still aren't great (projected ) figures for origin I - long may it continue... |
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