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Has anyone explained yet how the RFL's TV audience figure of 353,000 for last weeks game is only 38% higher than last years opening televised SL fixture which was 188,000 according to the BARB figures?
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| Quote: William Eve "Has anyone explained yet how the RFL's TV audience figure of 353,000 for last weeks game is only 38% higher than last years opening televised SL fixture which was 188,000 according to the BARB figures?'"
Not really sure what your point is, are you insinuating the RFL are making up the 353,000 or that someone in the press office made a mistake working out a percentage? |
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| Quote: William Eve "Has anyone explained yet how the RFL's TV audience figure of 353,000 for last weeks game is only 38% higher than last years opening televised SL fixture which was 188,000 according to the BARB figures?'"
Try dropping an email to the RFL press office and see if they can explain it, as this might give the answer, alternatively we can continue to debate without ever actually uncovering anything like the truth. |
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Quote: Him "It apparently includes some Challenge Cup games and internationals, as did the previous tv deal, whether it's all of them I've no idea.'"
Found some more details...
rlAccording to Martyn Sadler...rl
The £200 million deal does include the Challenge Cup and International coverage.
£145,760,000 (80%) goes to Super League clubs.
£14,576,000 (8%) goes to the 12 Championship clubs in Tier 2.
£1,822,000 (1%) goes to Championship One clubs.
£20,042,000 (11%) to be paid for Sky's Challenge Cup and International coverage.
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£182,200,000 = Subtotal
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£17,800,000 to coaching/charitable donations
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£200,000,000 = Total
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Sky's Challenge Cup live coverage of the Challenge Cup from 2018 to 2021 (11 CC Ties per Season)
Sky's International live coverage of all England matches from 2018 to 2021.
(Source: www.rugbyleagueontv.co.uk/)
What is left for other broadcasters to be interested in?
How is it a better deal than the RU one? |
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Quote: Him "It apparently includes some Challenge Cup games and internationals, as did the previous tv deal, whether it's all of them I've no idea.'"
Found some more details...
rlAccording to Martyn Sadler...rl
The £200 million deal does include the Challenge Cup and International coverage.
£145,760,000 (80%) goes to Super League clubs.
£14,576,000 (8%) goes to the 12 Championship clubs in Tier 2.
£1,822,000 (1%) goes to Championship One clubs.
£20,042,000 (11%) to be paid for Sky's Challenge Cup and International coverage.
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£182,200,000 = Subtotal
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£17,800,000 to coaching/charitable donations
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£200,000,000 = Total
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Sky's Challenge Cup live coverage of the Challenge Cup from 2018 to 2021 (11 CC Ties per Season)
Sky's International live coverage of all England matches from 2018 to 2021.
(Source: www.rugbyleagueontv.co.uk/)
What is left for other broadcasters to be interested in?
How is it a better deal than the RU one? | |
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| Quote: William Eve "
Sky's International live coverage of all England matches from 2018 to 2021.
(Source:
World Cup 2017 for one and there's no way Sky have got exclusive coverage of World Cup 2021 either, so it's basically the same as before.
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| Quote: Cripesginger "You are now suggesting you can say what I am thinking (inside my head 
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| Quote: Him "Eh?
Union TV deal
Thats £152m dependent on getting a european competition in place, by this autumn. That looks to be going well for premiership rugby.
So in effect the RU deal is lower, shorter and provides less reach and less viewers.
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So, Sky are paying £200 million for almost "everything"... Super League, Championship, WCC, Challenge Cup, internationals from 2017 to 2021... apart from the 2017 RLWC which the BBC has rights to... and the RLWC 2021 (though Sky have all rights to England games up to and including 2021).
Therefore, RL is currently worth £200 million in TV rights from 2017 to 2021 plus whatever the BBC are stumping up for the 2017 RLWC. This deal does not take into account it's value in real terms in 2021. Assuming an average inflation rate of just 3% each year, that £200 million will be worth £162 million or just £32 million per year by 2021.
Apart from the £152 million for the Aviva Premiership rights, what is the rest of the TV rights in Union worth? The Six Nations? The Rugby World Cup ? All the other RU cup competitions broadcast on BBC, ITV, Sky, BT Sport and ITV combined?
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So ... This is happening again. Some points:
The ru deal also includes "whatever European completion English domestic leagues are competing in" (or words to that affect, I can't be bothered to find the full link and quote) - this can be roughly comparable to the challenge cup part of the sky deal.
The challenge cup final is protected for fta tv - so sky haven't got the final as part of the deal (bbc can choose not to show it if they so wish but that's their business)
Il/ Nigel is the most despicable human being on the planet single handed lay trying to ruin our sacred sport (depending on which side of the fence you're on)
I still don't care about rugby union comparisons, the tv deal is the best one yet for rugby league, so let's stop worrying about everyone else and just concentrate on us!
Edit: I couldn't read.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "The challenge cup final is protected for fta tv - so sky haven't got the final as part of the deal (bbc can choose not to show it if they so wish but that's their business)'"
Do you envisage the BBC broadcasting the CC Final given that Sky will own the rights to all the other rounds and the televising of 11 games? (it's reasonable to assume one of those is the Final itself).
Quote: Magic Superbeetle "I still don't care about rugby union comparisons'"
Judging by the RFL's press release today, they clearly do care about comparisons with Rugby Union... particularly when it is expedient to do so..
Quote: Magic Superbeetle "But, I've been doing some reading and wondered if someone more capable at accountancy can answer a question - the policy review says
rl80% according to Martyn Sadlerrl
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| Quote: William Eve "So, Sky are paying £200 million for almost "everything"... Super League, Championship, WCC, Challenge Cup, internationals from 2017 to 2021... apart from the 2017 RLWC which the BBC has rights to... and the RLWC 2021 (though Sky have all rights to England games up to and including 2021).
Therefore, RL is currently worth £200 million in TV rights from 2017 to 2021 plus whatever the BBC are stumping up for the 2017 RLWC. This deal does not take into account it's value in real terms in 2021. Assuming an average inflation rate of just 3% each year, that £200 million will be worth £162 million or just £32 million per year by 2021.
Apart from the £152 million for the Aviva Premiership rights, what is the rest of the TV rights in Union worth? The Six Nations? The Rugby World Cup ? All the other RU cup competitions broadcast on BBC, ITV, Sky, BT Sport and ITV combined?'"
A) target inflation is 2% - a 3% inflation rate would cause all kinds of chaos beyond our sport!
B) your using inflation as a single solaritary calculation, where as inflationary calculations need to be done using compound interest - it's not as simple as doing 200,000,000x0.97 - a slightly closer figure is 5x(40,000,000x0.97) = 194,000,000 ... Nothing like economics hey!
C) yes the ruff have a much stronger international scene, which also generates a big financial gain for them, no one disputes that, but the domestic competition, which we are comparing, we have gotten a (slightly) better deal. |
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| Quote: William Eve "So, Sky are paying £200 million for almost "everything"... Super League, Championship, WCC, Challenge Cup, internationals from 2017 to 2021... apart from the 2017 RLWC which the BBC has rights to... and the RLWC 2021 (though Sky have all rights to England games up to and including 2021). '"
That's right, the same as now but with a few mickey mouse cup games before the final goes out on the BBC.
Do we actually know if the BBC have lost all rights the CC rounds or could they still show 1 game per round?
Quote: William Eve "
Apart from the £152 million for the Aviva Premiership rights, what is the rest of the TV rights in Union worth? The Rugby World Cup ? All the other RU cup competitions broadcast on BBC, ITV, Sky, BT Sport and ITV combined?'"
Why mention the RU world cup when you've previously stated the RLWC is on BBC? |
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| "Target inflation is currently 2%"
And that was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party and Lib Dem Party coalition
It's currently 2014 not 2017.
What will £40 million a season at today's prices be worth in the year 2021 again? |
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| Quote: William Eve ""Target inflation is currently 2%"
And that was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party and Lib Dem Party coalition ![]()
It's actually Mark carney who sets the economic forecasts ... But you know who that is right? And you know that Britain hit that figure literally last month?
And I'm not sure using economics as an argument is wise... They are the same economic forces that affect RU deals too after all! However, should the price of the Aussie dollar halve between now and 2017, our contract deal will be bigger than the nrls!
Ifs buts and maybes.
The deal, regardless of inflation should see 12 super league clubs receive over 2 million a year for the first time ever. Historical data shows it could of gone down, but instead it's the highest ever. Were not in a period of hyper inflation (in fact it's slowing down since the double dip of 2011) and should secure more clubs financially.
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