forums.rlfans.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=2&p=17684330&tsmp=1390331111#Swinton LOST 112 -0 when they were dropping into the abyss of losing thier heritage, a ground steeped in history they were moving to a desert of non RL area how can you use that to validate your point ridiculous.Like i said a championship challenging seasoned SL clubs albiet bottom 4 will if they get through them earn their place on MERIT and will NOT be SWINTON'D 112 points.

Have HulKR been decimated 112-0 since they come up from oblivion?Have Huddersfield been anhialated 112-0 since they come up from the pot of despair?.Dr.Koukash wanted to steer Oldham into the elite,but theyll have to do it on their own steam why do Oldham not deserve and rightfully so the opportunity to fight for a place in a club they founded?Smokey your too superleague-o-centric everythin else cann just wither n die

Good point,but surely the revenue created by significant crowd increase will offset that loss of the extra cost of players?.Ok lets move that point on some clubs WONT be ready for SL so I imagine (I also penned a draught plan for the 3 groups of 8 2 years ago and in the case of say Barrow not meeting ground requirements)either the clubs would play off for the spot given that they meet requirements.But im certain their will be dispensation for smaller clubs given their handicap.I do think youll find that the bottom 4 and top 4 of the champ'will be a more or less consistent standard of Rl given that the top 4 will markedly UP thier game on and off the field.

I agree that the gap between the top 4 (or 6 if you include the relegated SL clubs) and the bottom 4 in SL wont be as wide as it has been.
However, the point remains that the CC is going to be more out of balance than ever, as the glory seekers will up their spending significantly but, the lower club are unlikely to take the same level of "risk".
The new system brings in a perpetual relegation scrap for the bottom 4/5 SL clubs which will have a negative influence on their ability to prosper and IMO we will, within 3/4 years be having a further change to the structure, which will probably be an 8 or 10 team SL with no promotion or relegation, unless the fans and the players have got it all wrong and that we actually are embarking on a new golden era for the sport.
It's all a question of whether you have faith in the group of short term, quick fix cronies at Red Hall.

I'm more convinced than ever that some people are just born with a passion for moaning.

There is literally nothing that can be said or done to make some people happy, you will find them in places of work, in your friendship groups but most of all on the internet.

If they went a day without a good old whine, they would not speak at all.

but youve answered it yourself albeit obtusely, it rids the SL of the problem queson of reducing the league bigger than it would have been by just cutting off the 'stale' end and letting the good ship 'top8' sail off into the sunset minus the death throes of what its left for ever.instead of a runaway train we have a much tighter SL and all but in name a second fiddle SL.The scrap in the middle will be eventually a lot better than the championship and a dog scrap for the bottom 4 so in time this 'BELT' of about 10 clubs that will almost certainly scrap each other year in year out will compete in the CC NEVERMIND smokey AND HIS 112-0 DOOM MONGERING nonsense.

Francis Cummings is 'bricking it'......Bless !

It's nothing to do with being SL centric. In fact it's quite the opposite my club does very well out of this change. And yes, the Hull jet side, reliant on gifts from a generous benefactor, the club which massively over spends every year had 84 points put on them last year by Wigan at home. Ask the hull kr fans why that was, their chairman has been pretty vocal about it

I notice there has been a swing overnight in the voting. What happened there? Maybe a few went and actually read the RFL document and now understand it?

chairmen influence?

Do we know why Catalan abstained from the vote

They didnt understand it

It seems they weren't alone reading 70% of the comments on this board

I think it's less of a swing, but very similar to another poll on another site some months ago, when this was proposed.

Again on that thread the nay sayers came in hard and early. But as a few days past, those who wanted to wait and see more detail, after a bit of thought came forward and the 8x8x8 system caught up and in the end took the lead.

Change is difficult for most people. Better the devil you know etc.

So it's quicker and easier to vote no as you just stick to your guns.
Those who are not sure will hold back until they have actually took the information on board.