Keeping a crap coach in place is TWO steps backward.

Can you show me one bit of evidence that McNamara is a good coach .
Bradford fans were delighted when he left them. Not good enough for Bradford not good enough for England.

( oh yes i forgot he took England to a world cup semi final ).

Do you think Tony Smith is a good coach? What about Brian Noble?

do you think paul anderson is a good coach?

Was Sinfield in great form before the tournament? O'Loughlin? Widdopp? You can't pick and choose the form argument - either he picks on form alone, in which case neither halfback should have been in the team today (Widdopp not even in the squad), or he goes for what he considers the best team regardless of form.

Brough's non-selection is entirely down to him, so if you want to have a go at anybody for his non-selection, pick on him first, not McNamara. If Brough were not selected and then chose Scotland it would be different, but it was his choice.

With respect to the discipline, I don't remember it being an issue under McNamara before. In any event its like blaming the police for not stopping street violence. The people responsible were the players themselves, nobody else. Hardaker and Hock (and if correct that Chase was booted from the squad him too) were the ones who broke rules. Not McNamara. They are the ones who let themselves, their teammates and the fans down. Not McNamara.

I agree there are issues with England's structure in both attack and defence, but the main problem is lack of genuine quality in all positions and the team being unable to play with full intensity for 80 minutes. That's partly the gap between SL and NRL. Changing coaches can't fix that.

I'm not sure McNamara is the best coach, but if you'd said a 28-20 loss to Australia and a last-minute loss to NZ were the results of our big games against them before the tournament, I'd have taken that any time. England are always going to struggle to get 17 players of real quality and experience compared to Aus and NZ. Saying that narrowly failing to beat them suggests incompetent coaching is ridiculous.

What I do think would help England is getting someone like Wayne Bennett to help at the next tournament. Not in team selection or coaching, but just as for NZ at the last world Cup helping players to focus and believe in themselves. That's certainly a problem for them against Australia, if not NZ.

and in respect of Smith and Nobby

Yes they have shown a lot of ability and gained success.
Anderson has a long way to get near the record of the other two and he may have to leave the Giants to get there.

And despite any comments you wish to throw out about their lack of International success i reckon that with the same number of Aussie based English players, the same resources as McNamara has had the same amount of preparation time I reckon all three would have done a better job in this WC.

( i would even throw in Daryl Powell as a good option).

I saw nothing today that suggested a poorly coached side. What I saw today was years of hard work and preparation undone by a couple of silly errors and a few bits of bad luck. McNamara isn't a wonder-coach but he deserves a lot better than some of the rubbish that gets posted on here.

You're clueless. I'm fed up of reading your drivel so I'm just gonna add you to my foe list.

Do you do that with everyone that you cannot defeat in an arguement.

I have no inter club bias whatsoever and only read on here people's opinions of him as a coach.

It's hard to define a good coach. But we fans will only ever base it on the results as we are not being coached by him.

If McNamara was involved with today's performance then he can take some merit for what was being forecast by all the doomsayers as a catastrophic event coming our way. Despite our loss.


I'd say, keep him a bit longer.

Mcnamara put some decent structures in place but his fate was sealed the moment he started to try and cover stuff up. That and the fact he left it until the last game to pick Widdop. Absolute lunacy...

Durham Giant. Are you really a forum moderator? With all your f'in and blinding and name calling?

Show some decorum dear boy

He's done ok and I don;t think bad coaching cost us. Some of his team choices left me scratching my head but I don't have the luxury of being in camp so hard to know what's gonbe on. Not having a decent sub for Roby in a game as brutal as yesterdays were very strange decisions but there you go. If there's someone better replace him, if not keep him.

Emphatically, NO
His stinky attitude on TV especially to Tayna Arnold was disgusting, I thought he did the game a dis-service with his rank amatuer childish outburts & made himself look a complete on national TV.

He clearly hasn't got man-management skills enough for the job, he told lies/untruths/hid the truth about players stepping out of line so we had a situation that dragged on & on which could so easily have being dealt with outright and shows him to be weak & feeble and of no fortitude.
Open policy..good or bad.

Player selection, average to poor. Some players picked themselves and deservedly had their places nailed on but how some got into the squad never mind played is mystifying to say the least.

Then we have the Widdop gate scandal, given how he SM wanted us to play it was a no contest over Chase, pushing the best half in Sl away in Brough, well, that just sums the man up..flawed and in a big way.
Continuing to play Cudjoe who has shown in the last two games he can't cut it, Ablett would have done better.

What I saw today was an excellent side [icapable[/i of winning the comp but had underdone halves (widdop & Sinfield not enough game time together) and not using the sub meant knackered forwards, frankly for England RL the competition was a failure (People are easily blinded because the game was close, we've been average at best throughout). It's a bit like coming 7th in SL, got through to the final rounds but fell at the first stiff hurdle.

As for the plaudits given to him regarding the England set up & infrastrcture, THAT SHOULD BE A BARE MINIMUM FFS!!
I'd give him 5.5/10...Mcbanana OUT

I think people need to separate the whole training/Knights set-up and structure from the national coach. The former can be organised by a full-time England manager (Phil Clarke had that job at one time). The coach needs to select and to coach.

I wouldn't be worried about club bias. In my experience, coaches want to win, especially if there's a large bonus attached. That'll overcome any club bias. In addition, the best coaches will tend to be coaching the better club sides, so picking a few of his own team isn't going to be a problem.