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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Is this the bit where you tell everyone how wonderfully hilarious you are finding the 'bites'?
Thats always fun'"
Yes, it is.
Thought you were leaving me to it?
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| There is I suppose one plausible argument against more French teams: that it hinders their ability to grow a successful domestic competition. I'm absolutely 50/50 on what I think re. that, but it has something in common with the question of what would happen to domestic Scottish football if Rangers and Celtic joined the EPL? Good or bad for the teams left behind?
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| The argument about French teams not bringing many supporters to England for their away games is just a load of rubbish.
Look at the NRL. How many supporters do Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast, and especially North Queensland bring to their away games in Sydney? Answer: not many. North Queensland in particular bring about as many as Catalans. But in Australia you don't hear Sydney people moaning about how awful the lack of traveling support is from these clubs, especially North Queensland. Nobody in Sydney is saying "let's get rid of Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast and especially North Queensland."
Traveling support is a non issue in Australia, and it will be a non-issue in the UK, except in the minds of parochial people, (who perhaps deep down really don't like the French).
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| Quote: RLBandit "There is I suppose one plausible argument against more French teams
As each new French team comes into Super League it will initially be bad for the playing standards of the French domestic competition. That is because each new French Super League club will try and scoop up the best French players in the domestic competition.
But that initial impact should be compensated for over time by the promotion of junior playing numbers by each new French Super League team -- juniors excited by the prospect of a professional career in rugby league in their local region. Some of the influx of new juniors will make it to the Super League but most will join the domestic competition, waiting for the chance to be snapped up by a Super League team. This means that the French domestic competition will become a feeder for the French Super League teams.
So with each new Super League team the talent pool will be resupplied, and expanded, and that will be great for rugby league in France. It will be great for improving the quality of the French national team.
That means international rugby league competitions can become more credible, and prosper in a way that they never have prospered before.
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| Quote: Cronus "Fair enough, but not at the expense of weakening the spectacle in the UK with lame crowds and atmosphere and yet another team of journeymen. We already have enough games with almost zero travelling support - Catalans & London, and several with low travelling numbers - Hudds, Salford and others - without introducing another one, and also asking fans to fork out many hundreds of pounds if they want to watch the away fixture.
We all love it when the big games are on - a good crowd, rocking atmosphere, etc. And then we all complain when the game on TV looks poorly attended with empty seats and a terrible atmosphere. By introducing another French side we're simply increasing the number of lame games. What good does that do anyone?'"
The games with Catalans were often the most entertaining matches of all last season
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "The argument about French teams not bringing many supporters to England for their away games is just a load of rubbish.
Look at the NRL. How many supporters do Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast, and especially North Queensland bring to their away games in Sydney? Answer
Aw bless, you've resorted to calling people names.
I couldn't care less about the NRL. We're not the NRL. The NRL is known for having a lame atmosphere. Do want that? English RL has a history and a tradition (things you appear not to care about) of travelling support, of songs between the two factions, of banter and of a lively, loud atmosphere, especially at the bigger games. It's part of RL, part of the game day experience - something that is largely lost when London or Catalans come to town.
Why should we lose that further to accommodate another French side? A French side that would probably only contain a few Frenchmen anyway? You call my argument rubbish, I call your whole concept ridiculous; the fantasy of another 'expansion at all costs' fool with no consideration for anyone else or any appreciation of the wider picture.
And yet again, what are the benefits to Super League of bringing in another French side. And before you say it: no, it's not up to Super League to build French RL.
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| Quote: Cronus "Aw bless, you've resorted to calling people names.
I couldn't care less about the NRL. We're not the NRL. The NRL is known for having a lame atmosphere. Do want that? English RL has a history and a tradition (things you appear not to care about) of travelling support, of songs between the two factions, of banter and of a lively, loud atmosphere, especially at the bigger games. It's part of RL, part of the game day experience - something that is largely lost when London or Catalans come to town.
Why should we lose that further to accommodate another French side? A French side that would probably only contain a few Frenchmen anyway? You call my argument rubbish, I call your whole concept ridiculous; the fantasy of another 'expansion at all costs' fool with no consideration for anyone else or any appreciation of the wider picture.
And yet again, what are the benefits to Super League of bringing in another French side. And before you say it
Try the Championships, all our matches are atmosphere, how about helping us sort that one out
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| Quote: Starbug "Try the Championships, all our matches are poop atmosphere, how about helping us sort that one out'"
I've always said get the game strong at its roots before trying to expand with clubs built on sand. The Championships are a huge part of that.
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| Quote: Cronus "Great. Let's do it then.
In the meantime, another crappy home atmosphere with no visiting fans, a loss of revenue for UK clubs (the amount and relevance of which has been argued to death), 900 miles to travel for the away fixture and more journeymen Antipodeans.
I'm all for careful expansion, but not expansion for expanion's sake.'"
What is it with away attendances? Was it a 'crappy home atmosphere' Leeds v Melbourne? How many Melbourne fans made the trip ?
If you don't want to/can't make the away trip so what? Nobody's twisting your arm.
This seasons Heineken Cup, Munster v Racing Metro, over 25,000 attended. I bet it wasn't a 'crappy home atmosphere'. Wonder how many Metro fans made the trip?
My own personal opinion is, that there should always a place for the local, for example,Wakefield v Castleford derbies. Tradition should always be cherished. But, who cares outside 'the heartlands' about those type of fixtures?
Creating 'events', like Leeds v Toulouse could generate greater interest in our game and it's up to the clubs to pack them in, not to rely on visiting support.
But then again, what do I know. Perhaps it's best to retreat to a few miles either side of a strip of Tarmac in the north of England
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| Quote: burnleywelsh "What is it with away attendances? Was it a 'crappy home atmosphere' Leeds v Melbourne? How many Melbourne fans made the trip ? '"
Oh aye, good comparison.The World Club Challenge or London/Catalans coming to town in a regular weekly round. Fact is, when they visit a lame atmosphere is almost guaranteed.
Quote: burnleywelsh "If you don't want to/can't make the away trip so what? Nobody's twisting your arm.'"
That's just greatThis seasons Heineken Cup, Munster v Racing Metro, over 25,000 attended. I bet it wasn't a 'crappy home atmosphere'. Wonder how many Metro fans made the trip?'"
Probably a damn sight more than Catalans bring.
Quote: burnleywelsh "My own personal opinion is, that there should always a place for the local, for example,Wakefield v Castleford derbies. Tradition should always be cherished. But, who cares outside 'the heartlands' about those type of fixtures?
Creating 'events', like Leeds v Toulouse could generate greater interest in our game and it's up to the clubs to pack them in, not to rely on visiting support.'"
How much interest does Leeds vs Catalans generate outside of Leeds or Perpignan? Very little. Why would introducing Toulouse be any different? AnswerBut then again, what do I know. Perhaps it's best to retreat to a few miles either side of a strip of Tarmac in the north of England'"
Perhaps we should get that strip strong and thriving before desperately looking elsewhere.
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| Quote: burnleywelsh "What is it with away attendances? Was it a 'crappy home atmosphere' Leeds v Melbourne? How many Melbourne fans made the trip ?
If you don't want to/can't make the away trip so what? Nobody's twisting your arm.
This seasons Heineken Cup, Munster v Racing Metro, over 25,000 attended. I bet it wasn't a 'crappy home atmosphere'. Wonder how many Metro fans made the trip?
My own personal opinion is, that there should always a place for the local, for example,Wakefield v Castleford derbies. Tradition should always be cherished. But, who cares outside 'the heartlands' about those type of fixtures?
Creating 'events', like Leeds v Toulouse could generate greater interest in our game and it's up to the clubs to pack them in, not to rely on visiting support.
But then again, what do I know. Perhaps it's best to retreat to a few miles either side of a strip of Tarmac in the north of England'"
If Toulouse can create a competitive SL team, then Leeds vs Toulouse will really pack them in -- both in Leeds and Toulouse.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "If Toulouse can create a competitive SL team, then Leeds vs Toulouse will really pack them in -- both in Leeds and Toulouse.'"
Stick to worrying about RL fashion.
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| The RFL's Director of Operations, Ralph Rimmer, and Director of Standards and Licensing, Blake Solly, met with French Federation President Carlos Zalduendo on the past weekend, to discuss a number issues including the World Cup and Toulouse's appication for Super League.
On the World Cup preparations, the English delegation was told that 3500 seats had already been sold for the game France vs New Zealand in Avignon, eight months before the event! This is an amazing and unprecedented development.
Solly was quoted as saying, regarding the prospect of a 2nd French team in Super League:
" The impact should benefit our competition but also the development of rugby league in France. The integration of the Catalan Dragons in SL has created a new dynamic. The club is very well structured and the Catalans mobilise behind their team and in the last few months Bein Sport have started covering all their home matches live. I'm convinced that the SL and the French Federation are complementary. The arrival of a 2nd French team will be beneficial also to the French team".
Bravo Blake Solly!
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| "That's just great: f*ck the fans. Who is this sport FOR if not the fans? Don't be so ignorant."
Thanks for that. Just because I have a different opinion, I'm ignorant. The same ignorance I suppose that I've been demonstrating for over twenty years of playing and administrating Rugby League in 'expansion' areas. Suppose I should just pack it in then and leave you to it.
Most progressive sports push the international aspect of their game. I don't suppose that UEFA thought that hold on a minute we can't let Galatasaray into the Champions League it's a bit too far for those poor chaps from Manchester to travel.
Just my opinion, but that will probably lead to another rebuke from you. Think small, stay small.
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| There is not the player depth in Europe to merit a 14 team super league let alone getting up to 15 clubs. If another French team is brought in and we want a strong super league we will have to reduce the league to 12 clubs. 3 clubs will have to be cut.
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