Quote: Charlie Sheen "So we're basically going back to how it was before? Very progressive thinking by the SL chairmen. Basically a 12 team SL means more money from sky for those 12 clubs, its nothing to do with taking the game forward.'" Exactly, this great progressive idea is to go back to the system they had in 2008 that they publicly said wasn’t working since 2002. I very much doubt Leeds will be voting for it however news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_u ... 530990.stm

Quote: Charlie Sheen "So we're basically going back to how it was before? Very progressive thinking by the SL chairmen. Basically a 12 team SL means more money from sky for those 12 clubs, its nothing to do with taking the game forward.'" Exactly, this great progressive idea is to go back to the system they had in 2008 that they publicly said wasn’t working since 2002. I very much doubt Leeds will be voting for it however news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_u ... 530990.stm

It isn’t a problem at all. SL clubs own SL they are going to make the decision which is best for SL, because what is best for SL is best for the SL clubs. Clubs outside SL shouldn’t be trying to run SL, it makes no sense.

I dont think it is controversial to say those clubs are the most at risk ones right now so would be the one more risk averse.

I dont think Leeds would vote for it either, not because of self-preservation but more because they are publicly against it. From the noises from IL i wouldnt expect Wigan to do so either. Thats the reason i dont think we will go back to P+R, I cant think who would vote for it.

Very possibly. Probably even.

Licensing is the proverbial dead man walking now. Which leaves franchising (NRL-style), which would be controversial too.

If there's a majority for 12 teams (which is possible - fewer bigger pieces of Sky cake), I can imagine P&R being the preferred way to cut numbers, just because licensing has been so badly botched and retains so little trust.

Soccer's Premier League seems pretty successful to me.

So, on Smokey's 'logic', one wonders why Premier League clubs vote for three of them to be relegated every season?

In RL, the liklihood is of just one-up, one-down promotion and relegation between the leagues with effect from 2015 season.

I can't see any quotes regarding P&R and I doubt the people involved are stupid enough to want to undo all the good work done by Richard Lewis over the past 10 years, but you never know.

Not for relegated teams it isnt. Even with their huge parachute payment about a third of them go bust within a couple of years of relegation.
Only if they were a complete moron who thought the PL clubs voted for the relegated clubs to be relegated
WHy, who in SL will vote for that to happen?

If (IF) SL reverted to 12 clubs, we could be faced with the interesting scenario of no less than 4 of the existing clubs being given the push as there seems to be a drive for Toulouse to be admitted and a Championship club has been apparently guaranteed a place if one of them meets the required standard (loud grating noises as goalposts are hastily moved!). Which is why I don't think it'll happen - while you could make a case to dump London and perhaps Cas', who else could go? For a start, Nigel Woods said recently that we needed Salford so that we maintained a prescence in the Manchester area.

According to Adam Pearson at a Hull fans forum a return to P & R is looking likely, but then again so were the signings of Chase and Prince

Most clubs relegated from the Premier League get promoted back into it again.

Edit: And a roughly a third go bust, a couple multiple times and 1 doesnt exist any more

The sport has a really difficult choice to face up to - P&R or real franchising. Licensing tried to find a middle ground, but when push came to shove, was more a case of falling between stools. Three cliches in one sentence there!

Anyway - the decision can't be postponed much longer, certainly not beyond 2014.

alot of the prem clubs double drop after having to assemble complete new teams

Seriously, what are you on about? The SL meeting can only decide issues about SL.
The academy/development changes were agreed by both SL and Championship clubs. What do you mean "take the cream from the top"? Are you suggesting that SL clubs don't develop players but just take them from Championship clubs? Because that's patently bull.
Unfortunately you've fallen into the trap of just producing a bitter rant completely devoid of facts or coherent thought.

The 12 clubs plus P & R was said by the 'Fax chairman to his local paper.
This has not been decided by the SL clubs as they have set up a working party to look at this aspect of the game.
As has been said, which SL chairman is going to vote for 12 clubs when his maybe one of them getting relagated.
The HKR chairman has said there was a case for a 12 club SL but he didn't volunteer his club down into the championship. If it came to the vote I wonder which way he would vote?